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said by Thug21 :Instead of clearly identifying who the enemy is (who put that hole there!) we are told that "anyone could be one." I think we have a pretty good idea of who is the enemy. Perhaps you should check out this book...
PERFECT SOLDIERS The Hijackers: Who They Were, Why They Did It By Terry McDermott. HarperCollins.
...which is reviewed in the Washington Post at »www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co···315.html. Here's an excerpt: quote: All but one were from Saudi Arabia, most "were from families headed by tradesmen and civil servants, well-off, but not wealthy," mostly "unexceptionable men," none of whom "stood out for their religious or political activism." As McDermott writes, "that young men from good backgrounds would leave homes and families without fanfare or discouragement was evidence of the broad support within Saudi Arabia for jihad." Contrary to rumor, McDermott says they knew they would die and welcomed martyrdom: "The men were trained in hand-to-hand combat in the Al Qaeda camps [in Afghanistan], taught the physical skills they would need for the sole task given them -- to physically overpower flight crews. The pilots were the leaders. The new men would be the muscle."
So I was thinking maybe we should monitor communications between people within the U.S. and those in the Middle East. What do you think, sound like a plan? -- Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway.
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4 edits | We do, our politically correct leaders and media don't. We let more and more of these occasionally not so "peaceful" people in the country, yet we keep getting less and less rights to privacy. It's like a war on ourself.
We need to me much more careful not to let extremists into our nation in the first place. If they are aready here, it's cutting it way to close, despite any amount of "listening in" |
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| reply to Kil DRM said by Kil DRM :said by AmeritecTech :They hate us for our freedoms, so let's get rid of our freedoms. They do not give a god damn about our freedoms, or how we choose to live. They hate us because we have our boot on their throat, because we support others who have had boots on their throats for years, and because we have our oil spickets stuck in their ass, draining the life blood from their civilization. That is why they hate us. That is why they attacked us. Indeed. -- "Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions." -John Callari |
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| reply to Kil DRM said by Kil DRM :
They do not give a god damn about our freedoms, or how we choose to live. They hate us because we have our boot on their throat, because we support others who have had boots on their throats for years, and because we have our oil spickets stuck in their ass, draining the life blood from their civilization. That is why they hate us. That is why they attacked us. Yeah right! Go back to sleep or better yet read up on the muslim fundamentalists desire to spread their religion around the world thru death and intimidation. -- -- Internet News My BLOG My Web Page |
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| reply to Kil DRM said by Kil DRM :said by AmeritecTech :They hate us for our freedoms, so let's get rid of our freedoms. They do not give a god damn about our freedoms, or how we choose to live. They hate us because we have our boot on their throat, because we support others who have had boots on their throats for years, and because we have our oil spickets stuck in their ass, draining the life blood from their civilization. That is why they hate us. That is why they attacked us. Not one thing in those statements is true. Bin Laden and his followers come from well-to-do Saudi families that don't have anyone's boot on their throats, and the only ones draining the oil life blood is the royal Saudi family itself. Wake up, my friend, this is a clash of civilizations and has nothing to do with political or economic motives. -- Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway.
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  Thug21 Just Chillin' Premium join:2005-08-21 | reply to TKJunkMail Maybe we should have blamed ourself in ww2 as well. If we had, I wonder how the world would have turned out. |
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| reply to FiOS Dan said by FiOS Dan :So I was thinking maybe we should monitor communications between people within the U.S. and those in the Middle East. What do you think, sound like a plan? Sure, sounds good. Start the wiretapping, and then submit a request to FISA letting them know who you're tapping. -- "Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions." -John Callari |
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| reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail :said by Kil DRM :
They do not give a god damn about our freedoms, or how we choose to live. They hate us because we have our boot on their throat, because we support others who have had boots on their throats for years, and because we have our oil spickets stuck in their ass, draining the life blood from their civilization. That is why they hate us. That is why they attacked us. Yeah right! Go back to sleep or better yet read up on the muslim fundamentalists desire to spread their religion around the world thru death and intimidation. Should I read bin Laden's fatwa against the United States? Maybe that might give me some insight into why they want to kill us. -- "Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions." -John Callari |
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| reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail :..read up on the muslim fundamentalists desire to spread their religion around the world thru death and intimidation. That is some bad coolaid. Just ask the million muslims that live here in the USA in perfect peace with the rest of us. Why not try treating the ones overseas with respect instead of oppression and thievery ? You would suddenly discover what nice little "humans" they actually are, and how easily they would agree to live in peace with the world. |
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  Thug21 Just Chillin' Premium join:2005-08-21 4 edits | It's great, their oil rich leaders oppress their own people and then have 'em blame us for it and want to kill us. Not bad at all. It's quite creative. It's also quite sad. |
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| reply to Kil DRM said by Kil DRM :said by TKJunkMail :..read up on the muslim fundamentalists desire to spread their religion around the world thru death and intimidation. That is some bad coolaid. Just ask the million muslims that live here in the USA in perfect peace with the rest of us. Why not try treating the ones overseas with respect instead of oppression and thievery ? You would suddenly discover what nice little "humans" they actually are, and how easily they would agree to live in peace with the world. As with most all religions, the fundamentalists do not make up the whole religion, they are just a small part. They also tend to be the most extreme part. -- We don't give a d@mn for the whole state of Michigan... we're from OHIO! O!H! ... I!O! |
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  Thug21 Just Chillin' Premium join:2005-08-21 2 edits | if one percent of one billion are dangerous, thats a buttload of people. 
We really gotta watch out for those. |
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| reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail :Yeah right! Go back to sleep or better yet read up on the muslim fundamentalists desire to spread their religion around the world thru death and intimidation. It worked for the christians. It works for us too. What better way to spread global capitalism democracy than through death and intimidation. Let's ROLL!!  -- The Gospel of Supply Side Jesus Zeitgeist |
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| said by hpguru :It worked for the christians. It works for us too. What better way to spread global capitalism democracy than through death and intimidation. Let's ROLL!! When expressed accurately as you have just done, it is not hard for the winning side to agree with. I was only pointing out that, as with a good portion of the rest of Bush's doctorine, the truth is hiding under a huge blanket. Thanks for the clarification. |
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| reply to spy1 1998 Fatwa: quote: The 1998 Fatwa was signed by Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and others. It lists three grievances:1. U.S. occupation of the Arabian Peninsula. 2. U.S. aggression against the Iraqi people. 3. U.S. support of Israel. These three grievances are the motives for al-Qaeda's attacks.
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From Wikipedia - September 11, 2001 attacks - Motive: said by Wikipedia : The September 11 attacks were consistent with the overall mission statement of al-Qaeda, as set out in a 1998 fatwa issued by Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Abu-Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, Shaykh Mir Hamzah, and Fazlur Rahman.[93] The fatwa lists main three "crimes and sins" committed by the Americans: U.S. military occupation of the Arabian Peninsula, U.S. aggression against the Iraqi people, and U.S. support of Israel. The fatwa also specifically condemns the U.S. for "plundering" the resources of the region, oppressing the people by supporting abusive regimes in the region, and dictating policy to legitimate leaders. It also opposes the presence of U.S. military bases and installations in the region, especially on Muslim holy land, which are used to "threaten" Muslim countries, while fomenting disunity and strife. By a similar token, it decries the continued refusal to address the "occupation of Palestine".
The Persian Gulf War, the ensuing sanctions against Iraq and the bombing of Iraq by the United States were cited in 1998 as further proof of these allegations. The fatwa uses Islamic texts to exhort violent action against American military and citizenry until the alleged grievances are reversed, stating "ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries."
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Full text of the second fatwa originally published on February 23, 1998, to declare a holy war, or jihad, against the West and Israel. Read it here.
It is signed by Osama bin Laden, head of al Qaeda; Ayman al-Zawahiri, head of Jihad Group in Egypt, and several other Islamic terrorist groups. |
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| reply to Kil DRM said by Kil DRM :
I was only pointing out that, as with a good portion of the rest of Bush's doctorine, the truth is hiding under a huge blanket. Dubya's security blanket?  -- The Gospel of Supply Side Jesus Zeitgeist |
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said by AmeritecTech :Sure, sounds good. Start the wiretapping, and then submit a request to FISA letting them know who you're tapping. People are really struggling to obscure this issue in this thread, aren't they?
The government doesn't need a warrant before tapping someone, they can tap whoever they want. All they have to do is apply for the warrant after the fact, in front of a court known to be very sympathetic to their wishes. Yet the government doesn't want to do this. It wants to tap who it wants, when it wants, with no answering to a court, law, constitution, or anything at any time. A blank check to spy.
People supporting this "spy on anyone anytime with no restraint" are obscuring the huge authority the government already has to wiretap, and get warrants after the fact.
I wonder why that is? -- Sure, that'll work.. |
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