 dslwanterIt's comingPremium
join:2002-12-16
Niles, OH
 ·AT&T Midwest
| This is rediculous As if the people in extremely rural areas aren't screwed enough by their local telco or cable company (if they even have cable service) by not giving them broadband, now they have to put up with service caps from the only method they can get broadband, and for the price. I have DSL from AT&T at $19.99 a month right now and I can download however much I want, but for a satellite service that more than exceeds $50 per month, not even counting installation and equipment fees, I see no reason why they need to impose such caps. Is it because the network is sensitive to heavy use? If so, add more capacity! I only bitch about the broadband around here because you really can't consider it rural and there is a strong demand for it that the company's aren't seeing because they don't realize how many homes have went up around here since 2000.
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 hdmanFlt RiderPremium
join:2003-11-25
Appleton, WI
 ·exede by ViaSat
| said by dslwanter:I see no reason why they need to impose such caps. Is it because the network is sensitive to heavy use? If so, add more capacity! The reason is because you only have so much bandwidth through a MULTI MILLION DOLLAR satellite. Addin capacity means lauching another bird, and the formula for Hughes or WB to make money is SO tight, it can't be justified. If it were as simple as "adding more capacity", it would be done. But it is a much larger project than you imagine.
I do pay the price for living in the sticks, thats for sure, but the real culprits are the phone companies who sign deals with sat providers to hide from further buildouts, or cable companies who make silly rules about houses per mile in order to justify building out.
I live on a road that is 3 miles long. Charter ran cable down BOTH ends of the road, past numerous cows, trees, etc. and serviced ONE person on each end. The funny thing is, they left 16 homes in the middle unserviced and they want $20K to run it further.....
Who is the real scumbag? AT&T, Charter, etc.....IMHO of course....
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 TechieZeroTools Are Using MePremium
join:2002-01-25
Gibsonton, FL
 ·Verizon FiOS
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said by dslwanter:As if the people in extremely rural areas aren't screwed enough by their local telco or cable company (if they even have cable service) by not giving them broadband, now they have to put up with service caps from the only method they can get broadband, and for the price. Ummmm so? No one *has* to buy it or *has* to have broadband. |
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dslwanterIt's comingPremium
join:2002-12-16
Niles, OH Reviews:
·AT&T Midwest
| said by TechieZero:said by dslwanter:As if the people in extremely rural areas aren't screwed enough by their local telco or cable company (if they even have cable service) by not giving them broadband, now they have to put up with service caps from the only method they can get broadband, and for the price. Ummmm so? No one *has* to buy it or *has* to have broadband. Yeah? Well you're lucky to have Verizon FIOS and wouldn't know what it's like to be in an area with a serious potential for business development but can't because it's deprived broadband by it's telco and cable company. There are some small businesses out there that do depend on broadband in order to operate and by no means bring in the revenue to purchase a partial T1 and need far more usage than satellite would permit.
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TechieZeroTools Are Using MePremium
join:2002-01-25
Gibsonton, FL Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| said by dslwanter:Yeah? Well you're lucky to have Verizon FIOS and wouldn't know what it's like to be in an area with a serious potential for business development but can't because it's deprived broadband by it's telco and cable company. There are some small businesses out there that do depend on broadband in order to operate and by no means bring in the revenue to purchase a partial T1 and need far more usage than satellite would permit. 2 Things. First off I didn't start off w/ FIOS here. In this one address alone, I too had to go through Dial-up, then ISDN, Digital cable, DSL, and then finally fiber.
I don't doubt that a biz benefits from having broadband. But if it was that mission critical to begin with, perhaps those business' should not have picked that location to begin with. Hmmmm? 
But the Telcos or any biz for that matter owes nothing to anyone other than their paying customers and their shareholders if they have any. To think otherwise makes no sense. |
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 elveySpamassassin
join:2001-02-17
San Francisco, CA
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 ·Sipgate VOIP
| reply to hdman
said by hdman:said by dslwanter:I see no reason why they need to impose such caps. I live on a road that is 3 miles long. Charter ran cable down BOTH ends of the road, past numerous cows, trees, etc. and serviced ONE person on each end. The funny thing is, they left 16 homes in the middle unserviced and they want $20K to run it further..... Who is the real scumbag? AT&T, Charter, etc.....IMHO of course.... HDMan DSLWanter is just ignorant. I have a customer that has fiber run right past their driveway. But they can't even get DSL. Fortunately, they can get (and have) WildBlue. The caps are completely reasonable, well managed, and unavoidable:
I understand satellite and wireless broadband technology. Simply put, its all about what I'd call cell size, and WildBlue calls 'beams'. WildBlue works better than the older systems because they have dozens of cells, even though they don't have a lot of spectrum. Mobile wireless carriers (EVDO/G3, etc) like Sprint have hundreds of cells, but also don't have a lot of spectrum. So the wireless carriers can push more bits, total than the satellite providers. DSL providers have a limited amount of spectrum (limited by old copper), but they have a dedicated line (it's like they have millions of cells - like each cell is the size of each customer's premises) so they can push a lot of bits to each customer. Cable companies have a tremendous amount of spectrum per 'cell', and the cell-size equivalent is a neighborhood, so they can push more bits than anyone.
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ctuttPremium
join:2007-07-11
Columbia, MO | reply to dslwanter
I'm in the same boat! I'm only 2 1/2 miles from the city limits of a good sized city in mid-Missouri and cannot get either cable or high-speed fiber-optic.
My satellite (hughes.net) only rarely (very rarely) delivers the performance I pay for. What can I do? I cry... bleed... for blessed options. Please... someone, there is surely an opportunity here for you. |
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dslwanterIt's comingPremium
join:2002-12-16
Niles, OH Reviews:
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to elvey
said by elvey:DSLWanter is just ignorant. Thanks for the personal attack, it's greatly appreciated. I invite you to jump on 80 and take it a couple thousand miles east and I'll gladly give you the nickel tour of the area and show you just how "ignorant" I am. The only ignorant ones are the companies out here not taking advantage of the demand for broadband.
I also like how everyone who disagrees with me is sitting back and enjoying a decent broadband connection.
said by elvey:But they can't even get DSL. Fortunately, they can get (and have) WildBlue. The caps are completely reasonable, well managed, and unavoidable On their "Pro Pak" you call a cap of 17 GB reasonable!?
Yeah, for users that check their email and browse the web. better watch the digital music downloads. Oh and the upstream cap of a whole 5 GB would do WONDERS for my internet radio station, broadcasting 24/7 at 64kbps. Hell don't plan on running a server, oh wait, you can't do that either!
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TechieZeroTools Are Using MePremium
join:2002-01-25
Gibsonton, FL Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| No --- *This* is ridiculous said by dslwanter:I also like how everyone who disagrees with me is sitting back and enjoying a decent broadband connection. What is wrong w/ your AT&T DSL? |
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dslwanterIt's comingPremium
join:2002-12-16
Niles, OH Reviews:
·AT&T Midwest
| said by TechieZero:said by dslwanter:I also like how everyone who disagrees with me is sitting back and enjoying a decent broadband connection. What is wrong w/ your AT&T DSL? Have you read my reviews? The fastest I can run without having trouble is 384kbps (which won't even be considered "broadband" before too long) and even at that I'll lose the connection when thunderstorms are within 10 miles of the area, countless technician visits with no results implies I'm just too far from the central office with no Remote Terminal available.
Oh well, enjoy your fiber connection.
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Re: This is rediculous Look at where you are, this is BBR. Yes, everyone here MUST have broadband. I would seriously kill someone if I had to live in an area without broadband. |
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dslwanterIt's comingPremium
join:2002-12-16
Niles, OH Reviews:
·AT&T Midwest
| said by Ecuintras:Look at where you are, this is BBR. Yes, everyone here MUST have broadband. I would seriously kill someone if I had to live in an area without broadband. And it makes you want to call in an army when there's a cable company that literally starts not even a mile away that has had cable modem since 2000 and now offers a 15mbps/1.5mbps speed tier. It's geographically the same type of area, nearly same amount of homes/businesses, just a different company  .
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elveySpamassassin
join:2001-02-17
San Francisco, CA Reviews:
·Virgin Mobile Br..
·Sipgate VOIP
| reply to dslwanter
said by dslwanter:I see no reason why they need to impose such caps. Sorry, but this is an unambiguous sign of ignorance. That's simply a statement of fact, not a personal attack. You are (or were) ignorant of the facts. There are plenty of reasons for such caps, and this thread is chock full of them.
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dslwanterIt's comingPremium
join:2002-12-16
Niles, OH Reviews:
·AT&T Midwest
| said by elvey:said by dslwanter:I see no reason why they need to impose such caps. Sorry, but this is an unambiguous sign of ignorance. That's simply a statement of fact, not a personal attack. You are (or were) ignorant of the facts. There are plenty of reasons for such caps, and this thread is chock full of them. Well regardless if you think I'm "ignorant" the point I'm trying to make is if they're going to ass-rape people with their high prices then they damn well better find a way to extend capacity, or at least warn people other than "It's in the TOS". I may have the world's shittiest cable service but for the areas they have upgraded, on the ordering page it says plain as day "Network Traffic limits apply", not even in fine print, right in the description where they tell you how grand the service is.
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elveySpamassassin
join:2001-02-17
San Francisco, CA | I agree with you regarding notification. Wildblue, for example, doesn't warn folks of the FAP in a prominent way (but they don't go out of their way to hide it either). |
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