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|  FTTN & hybrid VDSL has promise
A hybrid system where fiber is run to local nodes and then copper the rest of the way to the premises using VDSL shows a lot of promise. It leeps local loops short and speeds high without incurring the cost of running fiber to every home. I think we will see a lot of this over the next decade or two.
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morbo
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clubs: | keeps cost low TEMPORARILY. eventually, all these homes will have to be re-wired. the cost of labor to do this will be astronomical no matter if they do it today or in 5 years. so what's the true benefit in waiting? |
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N3OGH
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chemaupr
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Alexandria, VA | reply to morbo
To short term investor its better to wait? more cash, more profit, more dividends...
But if the company only think short term... well short term life they'll have. |
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John Galt
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said by morbo  :keeps cost low TEMPORARILY. eventually, all these homes will have to be re-wired. the cost of labor to do this will be astronomical no matter if they do it today or in 5 years. so what's the true benefit in waiting? So what is the benefit of going ahead NOW if the cost is STILL going to be astronomical?
There is a limit to the CAPEX available.
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TKJunkMail
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said by N3OGH :Is that box in the picture tilted to the left??? It must have been taken by a BBR camera.  |
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halfband
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Huntsville, AL | reply to TKJunkMail
That is exactly the way cable did it. Fiber to the node, then run on the existing RF/copper to the home. Has worked for them so far, but the telcos are real late to the party.
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dynodb
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What's the benefit of waiting? The same benefit of waiting that you or I get when it comes to technology- as time goes on gear gets smaller, cheaper and better.
Perhaps more importantly, the demand amongst the general public isn't there yet for 100M, meaning the longer they wait the less time it takes to recoup investment costs. Pretty simple really- spend billions now on fiber that will be mostly dark, or spend it later when demand justifies the capital expense.
Of course this is BBR, where reality is quickly brushed aside in favor of "waaaa... but I want it now so I can pirate movies faster from my Mom's basement." |
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Nightfall
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said by morbo :keeps cost low TEMPORARILY. eventually, all these homes will have to be re-wired. the cost of labor to do this will be astronomical no matter if they do it today or in 5 years. so what's the true benefit in waiting? The cost of technology like this goes down as time goes on. Remember when a managed network switch used to be expensive? Remember when gigabit ethernet was just too much to invest in? As time has went on, those things have become more affordable. Same will happen with fiber. It will be much less costly in about 3-5 years.
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said by dynodb :What's the benefit of waiting? The same benefit of waiting that you or I get when it comes to technology- as time goes on gear gets smaller, cheaper and better. Yes. the technology gets cheaper and better over time. But I can say with very high probability - the cost of installinng a new infrastructure (ala Fiber) to the node or home will be much higher in 1 2 or 5 years than today due to labor and in many cases the cost to acquire rights of way.
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said by morbo :keeps cost low TEMPORARILY. eventually, all these homes will have to be re-wired. the cost of labor to do this will be astronomical no matter if they do it today or in 5 years. so what's the true benefit in waiting? Wrong...Wiring to a Node down the street is much cheaper then wiring to the home. The cost today are astronomical compared to what they will be in the future. For instance, verizon has stated that to wire a home for FTTP when they first started was around 2k per home. Now it is down to around 900-1k per home. As workers get more experience working it, and fiber is able to be run around corners(which I have read is coming soon) then it will get cheaper. So in all reality, why not use FTTN as a stepping stone. Your halfway to FTTP...along with FTTN you also get faster speeds.
This mentality that everything is owed to you and you should have it NOW! has got to stop...it is bringing down America. |
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en102
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Shareholders holding out for cheaper cost of...
fiber ?
GPON ?
There's actually a downside to the VRADs (besides the appearance).
1. Physical cost of the VRAD
2. Site prep of the VRAD (concrete, running fiber)
3. Physical maint. of the VRAD (power, electronics, site visit, vandalism, car crash, etc.)
Compared to...
CO based FTTH.
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John Galt
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said by jsimmons :But I can say with very high probability - the cost of installinng a new infrastructure (ala Fiber) to the node or home will be much higher in 1 2 or 5 years than today due to labor and in many cases the cost to acquire rights of way. Naw...you just get some of them "guest workers" that are floating around these days. Ain't much difference in throwing a conduit or a sprinkler pipe in the ditch .
¿Puede usted decir la "fibra óptica"?
ROW costs won't change significantly...
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said by en102 :Shareholders Compared to... CO based FTTH. So...you are proposing that all the fiber be homerun to the CO with no active electronics in the field??
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en102
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| In some areas... it may be cheaper. I'd at least recommed keeping the old 'crossconnect' / F2 boxes as a location to splice/cutover old wire.
In my area (Valencia Hills), there is a VRAD at each end of the nieghborhood (3 covering 2 HOAs).
Cost of buildout for VRAD = ?
Cost of maint on VRAD = ?
vs.
Cost of buildout of fiber = ?
Cost of maint of fiber = ?
I don't have any numbers, but what's the cost of powering/maintaining those VRADs ?
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hottboiinnc
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ROW costs will probably be cheaper with state-wide agreements. |
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bmn
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| said by hottboiinnc :ROW costs will probably be cheaper with state-wide agreements. ROW costs are always local. A state-wide franchise agreement wouldn't solve that as each locality is responsible for the ROW in its jurisdiction.
If a state-wide agreement tried to change that, you can bet there will be some screaming because ROW costs vary based on location for a number of reasons.
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bmn
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PONs... Don't have to homerun every connection, just neighborhoods. |
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hottboiinnc
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as much is squeezed through on the state wide agreements i wouldnt be surprised if thats included to take away from the local governments in wordering only the telco's understand. |
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