Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? in TV over IP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18828252 en Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:09:09 EDT Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:09:09 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19109947 B : Well that was disappointing. I tried Miro.

The application's okay, but it's very focused on video and makes a poor multipurpose media player as it gives audio short shrift.

It does NOT seem capable of multitasking once a video has started playing, and there's a long pause (upwards of 2 seconds) after a video stops playing and before the interface returns. I do like how it queues downloads in the background.

The "library" function seems remarkably primitive; you can only add one file at a time, from the File menu (after the one-time scan during installation) and there doesn't seem to be any real way to organize the library. Worse, I can't find any way to add new audio files to the library -- it appears to get added but the change doesn't "stick".

Of course it's rather slow too, but all web-rendering based products are. (At least it's not Java, like Azureus.)

Looks like my search for a decent open source GUI media player continues. I see that Songbird does have video support after all; maybe that's next to try. (No I do NOT want to run both products; Seamonkey and one iteration of Miro/Songbird are more than enough Mozilla bloat for me!) What I really want is a great VLC front-end GUI with placeshifting and all VLC features exposed.

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P.S. The artificial distinctions among video and audio are maddening -- the same issue exists in editing software.

Edit: It really kinda sucks; I click an MP3 link from a web site and the audio downloads and properly launches in Miro, but the instant I try to browse the Library to see what I want to play next, the file stops playing! And even after playing, the downloaded audio never appears in the Library at all, as mentioned above. With BitTorrents, you can't use a custom port greater than 32767! I'm going to have to go back to VLC and Azureus.
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No it apparently does not yet support live channels (?). Follow the links.

I think what's unique is that it combines media player abilities with internal BitTorrent, RSS, netcast/podcast, and HD support, all under a slick interface and freely GPL licensed.

Sounds pretty good to me... Looks as if they've leapfrogged SongBird's audio-only efforts using the same XULRunner environment.

»www.getmiro.com/

»www.getmiro.com/help/faq/

»reviews.cnet.com/Open_source_vid···226.html

(Warning: the last link is a video-only "review", and has obnoxious pre-roll ads.)

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In a realm outside causality and function]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19073028 Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:21:10 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19071924 anon : Miro??? Is that just Democracy Player renamed? Personally, I have never installed Miro. From the screenshot, it just looks like a fancy podcast client. Anyway, are there any live channels, or at least anything unique to this application? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19071924 Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:28:10 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19070740 dadkins : Miro, huh?
Thanks B! ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19070740 Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:19:29 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19069442 B : I have no real interest in Joost as they're primarily interested in serving ads.

CNet seems enamored of Miro - they reviewed it a while back and there's a new Slashdot article at »slashdot.org/articles/07/09/13/1820247.shtml

It seems awfully slick and it's based on VLC, of which I'm quite fond. It almost seems like the answer to a prayer I've had about getting a more full-featured VLC interface. If they added "placeshifting" I'd really be happy.

By the way, it includes lots of HD content support.

Note that I have NOT yet used the thing!

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In a realm outside causality and function]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19069442 Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:47:40 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18985849 LilYoda : Well, until there is a Joost version on linux, and since I have a high degree of boredom to cure when I'm home, I just started getting into MythTV... Got myself 3 USB DVB-T sticks, and started tinkering with it yesterday

Now I wish I hadn't started, because it looks like It's going to take a while before I get it work like I want to... I wish it were as simple to setup as GBPVR with a MediaMVP. But then again, the more you suffer, the more it shows you really care, right?
(a cookie to whoever finds the quote)
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Just checked my spam filter. My invite came 11 mins after the confirmation email...sigh. I wonder why my spam filter allowed the email to confirm, but blocked the invite. Well off to give it a try. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18952115 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:07:28 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18950586 koolkid1563 : When I used Joost back in May, I got the E-Mail with download instructions almost immediately.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18950586 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:51:44 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18934025 koolkid1563 : From what I understand, you are correct.

From what I have read, there are two forms of TVoIP (or IPTV), hardware based in that you use a STB, and software based in that you use your computer without any additional hardware required to use it.

This board is only for anything pertaining to software TVoIP (or IPTV). I think this should be clarified in the FAQ, as it only says this board is for TVoIP...which as a blanket statement can include hardware solutions.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18934025 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:46:53 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18931280 jrsmooth : So this TVoIP you are talking about is software based only? Meaning a computer is involved, not the one with STB?

Well, I (well it was actually for my parents) had been using KylinTV for almost a year now. It offers live TV (not exactly live, about 20 minutes behind real time TV, and VoD, which is a great feature).

»kylintv.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18931280 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:27:40 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18930066 EPROM : »Posting Rules - TV over IP]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18930066 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:38:52 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18929884 CajunWon : Here's another favorite:
MovinFlicks
Watch Streaming Full Length Movies online for free!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18929884 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:12:59 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18929129 LilYoda : Are there any programs that run on Linux?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18929129 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:21:20 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18929020 dadkins : I have several, but mainly use VeohTV, VUZE(HD Videos), and Joost.

Also, AOL HQ TV shows.
Misc others that rarely get used.

»[Info/Discussion] VeohTV
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18928141 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:57:29 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18927001 older dog : Two years ago I used the paid movie service from Starz/ Real for close to a year.
The cancellation was a Real nightmare; I will never do business with them again.

Current players I use is
TVUPlayer
Veoh
Joost
AOLs free high quality downloads (old 70s and 80s stuff).
VUZE]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18927001 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:45:34 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18926953 CajunWon : TVToolbar? My 7yo likes to watch the 'toons. Drawback is it is a plug-in & resource hog on FF -so I disable it when not in-use. It acts as a front-end to access 50+ IPTV sites.

Joost: I watched one Joost show 3 months ago: windsurfing show -'Red Bull Storm Rising'. It was a little cumbersome to navigate. Seems last time I launched it.....well it didn't work & haven't revisited. Perhaps should dl the new version.

Streaming vs bt: ABC,CBS,NBC,WB all stream their prime-time shows with brief commercial interruption. Of those CBS has the best interface and the others are too jittery to enjoy. Much easier to bt those shows and movies. USA streams first episodes of each new series. We used to be hard-core VHS users (kids, homework, wife maintenance -no time for real-time TV), now we keep a list of shows & movies and batch download 2x/week -overnight since it kills my router and shuts-down PC when complete.

Others:
»www.movinflicks.com/index.html - just movies.
»joox.net/
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18926953 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:39:39 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18926938 b10010011 : I am using Joost and Veoh.

I find both of their selections to be severely lacking. Not much that I really would watch. Fact is I haven't watched anything on Joost for months now.

Veoh is not much better except it's more like Youtube in the fact hat anyone can upload video for others to watch. But this is also its down fall as now it is loaded with the same tired old video clips you see on youtube.

Video quality on Joost flat out sucks, Veoh is about the same but can vary depending on the source.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18926938 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:37:42 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18926793 koolkid1563 : I have tried JOOST, but I also subscribe to AT&T's U-verse TV service which uses IPTV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18926793 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:21:20 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18926755 La Luna : I've tried Joost a few months ago, but I haven't installed the latest version. The first version I tried worked pretty good, then the next one not so good. Since illJazz See Profile seems to think it has improved (even though it's still beta), I might give it a whirl again. :)
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That said, a basis for comparison is surely important to evaluate existing services as well as new offerings that become available. What factors should be of import? I've seen advertisement mentioned, HD capability, channel availability. List any that seem relevant!

FTR, I don't even own a TV, but catch clips (youTube style) on the internet all the time. I'll second illJazz's advertisement viewpoint.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18829467 Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:13:33 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18829296 Rxdoxx : I looked at internetTV, SopCast and one other, can't remember, totally deleted everything on that one including the installer.
Right now my interest is catching an occasional game, my nephews live 2000 miles away and would like to be able to talk to them about their team, which until last year was bad enough they were never televised on the East Coast (Aints that the truth ;) ).

I'm not paying for any super package, but if I can find a way... and maybe even catch some Juventis or Swedish league hockey...

Like I say, hoping to learn in this forum :)
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Another thing is that Joost, by the nature of the type of application it is and by how it works, has slightly steep system requirements. 1GB of RAM is recommended, a fast CPU is a must and it goes without saying that you can't stream all that content to your PC on a dial-up connection--you need broadband.

The official system requirements are on their website: »www.joost.com/systemrequirements.html

PHEW. You have NO IDEA how hard it was to find that page! I just surfed their site up and down and checked everywhere.. and eventually gave up. The way I found that system requirements page is by googling "joost system requirements". Crazy.. that's just bad :/
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Thanks for the detailed description, btw. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18828252 Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:17:38 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18828227 illJazz :
said by Akasha See Profile :

I don't. That's why I'm just gonna sit back and learn a little. I take it you are happy with Joost?
I'm fairly happy, but you have to use it to understand what it's about. It's slick software with a very nice interface and features tons of content already. There are ads, but not like the ads you're used to on TV.. they're maybe 10 second spots and are pretty infrequent and really not that disruptive. Trust me when I say that I *hate* ads, and ads make me skip TV entirely. I very rarely watch TV.. because quite honestly, if I'm going to watch a show, I'll download it off the web somewhere and watch it whenever I like, without ads, in the quality I choose. I can't put up with ads. They are far too intrusive and annoying.. having said that, Joost's ads are very tolerable.

Anyway.. Joost's loaded with content from all sorts of TV channels around the planet and includes many music TV channels, Comedy Central and so much more. Click that to see the official Joost guide to what's playing right now. Their library of offered content keeps growing rapidly, and although as far as I know, Joost has yet to offer full length movies, they have a ton of shows, music videos and other TV content on there already. You can pause playback at any time, browse channel lists, search the whole library of Joost offerings right from the main interface, and you can even add and use widgets, which are also included. You could, for example, be watching something on Joost, then start up the "chat" widget and see who else is watching the same thing you are. Right there, you could start a discussion, ask a question, whatever you like, with people who are watching the same thing you are currently.

Personally, I've never run into anybody who just so happened to be watching the same thing I was watching at the time I was watching.. and the explanation for this is simple. There is a lot of content, and "show times" for the different shows on Joost are not fixed. In other words, you can watch whatever you want whenever you want. Because this is so, chances of bumping into other people who happen to be watching what you're watching simply are slim.

You can check out channel and show descriptions, give shows ratings, etc. etc. It's a pretty advanced and ambitious idea, and if there is a single thing about Joost I'd have to point out as sorely lacking about the service it's the fact that there is zero HD content inside. If you watch stuff in full-screen mode (which is the default), you are likely to be less than pleased with the image quality you'll see. Loading of channels, however, is very fast. It takes a few seconds to load stuff up before it starts streaming and playing on your machine.

My descriptions can only go so far..
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said by Akasha See Profile :

Just follow . That's what I'm doin'! ;) :D
Sounds good.

None of you use any of the mentioned IPTV services? Or some unmentioned thing, as I was anything but thorough with that very brief and quick list ;)
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said by Akasha See Profile :

said by Rxdoxx See Profile :

I'll be watching/lurking and trying to learn :)
Got room for me? ;)
Where be dis lounge? :)
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said by Rxdoxx See Profile :

I'll be watching/lurking and trying to learn :)
Got room for me? ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18827625 Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:52:18 EDT Re: [Discussion]Do you currently use any TVoIP services? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18827298 Rxdoxx : About a year (or two) ago there was a game I wanted to see
Ran around looking, trialled a coupla programs, couldn't really get what I wanted or anything that convinced me to persue it further (lot of Chinese programs were found though)
Since then I've been just reading when I stumble on something and keeping my eyes and ears open.

I'll be watching/lurking and trying to learn :)
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Vuze's GOT HD. It's bit-torrent based and is thus founded on the idea of users downloading videos from each other. Vuze's video community is built right into the program itself (as it should be!).

Then there's Babelgum, Zattoo, Brightcove and surely, there are many more to come.

Joost claims that it will revolutionize TV. The way the service works is pretty impressive, but without HD content they won't win me over that quickly..

Anyway, seeing as the forum's still bare-naked it was hard to come up with a good "first topic". It's unclear what specific discussions in here will eventually be about, so here's the first topic--with a healthy dose of openness and generality added in :)

Cheers :)
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