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From a user in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18839999 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:34:07 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:34:07 EDT Re: From a user http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18855313 anon : Data works over the wifi, but you are charged standard rates.

To clarify some other areas of confusion, the $19.99 unlimited calling plan is optional. If you just want to get better coverage in your house without paying anything extra, you can just use the UMA phones for wifi calling. As some have mentioned before, any minutes you use this way will just count as regular minutes off your plan.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18855313 Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:24:01 EDT Re: From a user http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18855386 hammer_md : data (sms, web, etc.) works over wifi and is pretty darn fast, but standard pricing applies. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18855386 Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:33:30 EDT Re: From a user http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18844465 PolarBear : That I have no idea, and I don't know what T-mobile says about it, either. I only knew that data worked on wifi because like I said, I had absolutely no cell service at my house (from any carrier), and I could still use it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18844465 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 23:40:21 EDT Re: From a user http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18844435 greendragon : Ok, so is Data limited when using wifi? (I would think not) or is it just when using the cell network? Does this work from any wifi spot or does it have to have a connection to T-Mobile somehow?

This is actually sounding pretty cool.
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VOIP call (snip)

tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decodelistening on ppp0, link-type LINUX_SLL (Linux cooked), capture size 96 bytes19:15:22.614335 IP mydomain.net.4500 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: isakmp-nat-keep-alive19:15:23.476819 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xae), length 10019:15:23.561090 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xa7), length 10019:15:23.570411 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xa8), length 10019:15:23.716411 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xaf), length 11619:15:23.800554 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xa9), length 10019:15:23.840468 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xaa), length 13219:15:23.918755 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xb0), length 13219:15:24.001104 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xab), length 10019:15:24.007636 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xb1), length 13219:15:24.080434 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xac), length 10019:15:24.308321 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xb2), length 10019:15:24.333711 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xad), length 13219:15:24.344869 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xb3), length 11619:15:24.420441 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xae), length 10019:15:24.440386 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xaf), length 10019:15:24.449196 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xb4), length 8419:15:24.671129 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xb5), length 10019:15:24.696620 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xb0), length 11619:15:24.739924 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xb6), length 116

Data to T-Zones Only (snip)

root@OpenWrt:~$ tcpdump -i ppp0 host m015436d0.tmodns.nettcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decodelistening on ppp0, link-type LINUX_SLL (Linux cooked), capture size 96 bytes19:16:35.089417 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xcb), length 16419:16:35.125821 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xbd), length 11619:16:35.138798 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xcc), length 13219:16:35.175075 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xbe), length 11619:16:35.186652 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xcd), length 13219:16:35.272650 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xbf), length 10019:16:35.888124 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xc0), length 13219:16:36.328604 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xce), length 10019:16:36.333339 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xcf), length 11619:16:36.411886 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xc1), length 10019:16:36.422532 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xd0), length 19619:16:36.487792 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xc2), length 16419:16:36.524814 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xd1), length 11619:16:36.550597 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xc3), length 11619:16:36.560864 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xd2), length 16419:16:36.577159 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: isakmp-nat-keep-alive19:16:36.598398 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xc4), length 14819:16:36.611543 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xd3), length 14819:16:36.625857 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xd4), length 59619:16:36.629624 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xd5), length 22819:16:36.682172 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xc5), length 14819:16:36.736435 IP m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500 > mydomain.net.1024: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0xc5cefdfd,seq=0xc6), length 45219:16:36.778035 IP mydomain.net.1024 > m015436d0.tmodns.net.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x0002e27f,seq=0xd6), length 100

So you are exactly 100% correct aaron83_01, sorry for the misinformation. Perhaps I read it incorrectly and what they were saying was that data wasn't unlimited on Wifi, only voice, and I created the improper assumption that it used GMRS/EDGE. Thanks for correcting me.
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said by greendragon

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Did I make myself clear this time?

Yes, however, I believe you are mistaken:

said by greendragon

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When you use the data service, eventhough you pay for hotspot@home, means that you use the cell network not the wifi network for data. So, hotspot@home is good for voice calls, but makes no difference for data service.

Until last week, I lived in a home that had no cell service from any provider whatsoever. In that home, while my phone was connected to wifi, the phone would use data services. There was NO cellular network for it to use, so it had to have been using wifi for data.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18842406 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:41:45 EDT Re: From a user http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18841788 greendragon : Ok...

Calling someone using hotspot@home for $19.99 a month = no minutes used

Calling someone using hotspot@home not paying 19.99 a month = minutes used

I get all that

When you use the data service, eventhough you pay for hotspot@home, means that you use the cell network not the wifi network for data. So, hotspot@home is good for voice calls, but makes no difference for data service.

I would like to have a plan like hotspot@home work for voice and data for one price and not use minutes or pay cellular data charges when using a wifi hotspot.

Did I make myself clear this time?
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I'd pay more than 19.99 to do both and do it everywhere.
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said by evilghost

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No, you are incorrect. If you pay for the Hotspot@Home service it does not bill against your airtime minutes when using WiFi. It does bill against your minutes if when using WiFi you are not enrolled in the HS@Home service and pay the monthly fee.

OK. Thanks for the clarification. Those 2 statements seemed conflicting.
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UMA equipped phones can use the UMA service "HS@Home" regardless, the only difference is the method of billing (airtime versus the monthly fee for the HS@Home add-on).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18840451 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:53:00 EDT Re: From a user http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18840341 OverModded :

said by evilghost

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By default, any HS@Home capable handset can use the service, however, calls made over the VOIP/WIFI network are billed against your airtime minutes/plan.

The "charge" for the HS@Home service permits unlimited calls to continental US numbers.

Unlimited calling, but charged to airtime minutes, and $20/mo doesn't sound like much of a deal. If you are on the phone a lot at home, you may also have to increase your wireless plan costs to add more minutes.
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By default, any HS@Home capable handset can use the service, however, calls made over the VOIP/WIFI network are billed against your airtime minutes/plan.

The "charge" for the HS@Home service permits unlimited calls to continental US numbers.

Additionally, when placing calls over their VOIP network the call audio fidelity is significantly superior to that of the cellular network. I'd go as far as to say my ears are unable to distinguish the differences between a land-line phone and the call quality of the VOIP service.

I've been using the service for about a month now and have no jitter, dropped calls, or transition issues from WiFi to cellular.

The 6086 supports WEP, WPA-PSK, and WPA2-PSK. I've created a static lease reservation on my Buffalo WHR-G54S router running OpenWRT (»www.openwrt.org) and have set QoS prio on the phone's IPs to take precedence over any other traffic.

A call over the HS@Home network uses about 37 to 40 Kbps, a very light amount of traffic to sustain.

I'm not a T-Mobile shill or employee, but as a user of the service I felt qualified to comment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18839999 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:42:56 EDT