jjoshua
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| Phone wiring block
I'm looking for the general name for one of these phone wiring blocks.
»www.phonegeeks.com/nonphonwirbl.html
It's exactly what I'm looking for - I'm just thinking that $40 is a bit steep but I can't seem to find alternate sources. |
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Greg_Z
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1 edit | 66 & 110. Depends on how you want to classify that particular one.
»www.phonegeeks.com/punbloc.html
Also known as "terminal blocks," these versatile devices are used in telecom and data network installations where it is necessary to join wires together neatly. They are often used as a transition between a phone system's control unit, and the wires going to the telephone jacks; and as a demarcation point ("demark") between the phone company's wiring and the customer's equipment. PhoneGeeks.com stocks a variety of blocks, both industry-standard items and custom blocks designed to speed up the installation of Panasonic, NEC, Inter-Tel, Nortel and ATT/Lucent/Avaya phone systems.
There are two common families of punchdown blocks. "66" blocks are usually used for phone work, and "110" blocks are usually used for data... but either can be used for either. |
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Dennis
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ebay would be my first place to lok
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jjoshua
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Scotch Plains, NJ | reply to jjoshua
Checked there...
A 66 block is close to what I need but not big enough.
With the product that I was looking at, I can hook 12 phones to 4 lines. |
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dgilbert
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you can use a standard 25 pair 66 block to do it, you just have to think out the wiring a little bit. i have a 12 pair 66 block in my attic that all my phones go to, with a jumper running down one side so i can pull the clips and remove each run from service for troubleshooting, or pull just the top clips and remove ALL inhouse from service.
if you need more room, split the block to give you 50 pairs. you can't put in bridge clips on a split block, as you use the first punch down for the line and the second for the phone then the other side do the same for the next phone and line. if you are going for 12/4, a split block will still have 2 pair free for later use.
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Splitpair
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said by jjoshua  :I'm looking for the general name for one of these phone wiring blocks. » www.phonegeeks.com/nonphonwirbl.htmlIt's exactly what I'm looking for - I'm just thinking that $40 is a bit steep but I can't seem to find alternate sources. That module looks like it has no way to isolate the IW's other than pulling them off the 110 blocks and re-terminating them after testing which makes for a PIA when you are trying to isolate an IW trouble.
You might want consider using multiple 66 blocks with bridging clips.
Wayne
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Splitpair
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said by dgilbert :you can use a standard 25 pair 66 block to do it, you just have to think out the wiring a little bit. You cannot do what the Op is trying to do with a single 66.
4 lines x 12 sets = 96 pins with a max of 25/50 on a 66 block.
One could get 4 lines by 3 sets punched down per split 66 and do the job with 4 split 66 blocks for a clean and easy to trouble shoot setup.
Wayne
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tschmidt
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| said by Splitpair :You cannot do what the Op is trying to do with a single 66. Depends on which flavor of Type 66.
A regular 66 is only 25 pair, half of what the poster needs.
HOWEVER: A split block supports 50 pair but only two punch-downs per wire as opposed to four.
I realize it is not Bell system wiring practice but if you daisy chain cross-connect wire split blocks work well for small locations. The downside is if you need to rewire have to rip out the entire length of cross-connect wire and redo it.
He will still need another small block for the four incoming lines unless he wants to do something really ugly.
/tom |
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Splitpair
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1 edit | said by tschmidt :I realize it is not Bell system wiring practice but if you daisy chain cross-connect wire split blocks work well for small locations. The downside is if you need to rewire have to rip out the entire length of cross-connect wire and redo it. That is correct but as noted tough to trouble shoot
Wayne
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Splitpair
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1 edit | reply to tschmidt
BTW The correct method to wire this is to loop four network (incoming) pairs onto the left side of a split 66 block to serve six stations for a total of 24 pairs or 48 pins and then loop the network on to an additional block for the total of twelve stations.
The stations shall be wired to the rightmost pins on all the blocks and the connection between the network and the stations shall be made by bridging clips.
Wayne
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JoelC707
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1 edit | Perhaps a picture would help explain why this can't be done on a single 66 block? In my setup at the office I have 15 stations with four lines each (the bottom one on the first block is a dedicated fax machine so it only has one line hooked to it). It is spread out over three blocks but I could have crammed it into two blocks if I didn't set it up to use bridge clips but then you can't disable lines to troubleshoot. Now if you want say only two lines then you could do 12 stations in one block but you can't do more than two lines to each station.
Edit: Just out of curiosity, why do you say to use only three station lines to each 66 block? I'm doing 6 per block with two rows of pins left over in each one. |
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Splitpair
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| said by JoelC707 : It is spread out over three blocks but I could have crammed it into two blocks if I didn't set it up to use bridge clips but then you can't disable lines to troubleshoot. The above is the correct way to do so.
Edit: Just out of curiosity, why do you say to use only three station lines to each 66 block? I'm doing 6 per block with two rows of pins left over in each one.
Because I totally screwed up counting the pairs.
Wayne
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jjoshua
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Scotch Plains, NJ | reply to JoelC707
Impressive pics but a bit too complicated for my residential setup... |
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jeffmoss26
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Beachwood, OH | reply to JoelC707
Why didn't you run the cables behind the 66 block brackets? |
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JoelC707
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| That's because I didn't get the brackets with the blocks (Home Depot sells them separately). Plus this is a temporary setup anyway. I left enough slack in the lines to pull them back across the room and into a patch panel in my rack. They would then go into a switch and become data lines dedicated to a VoIP system. The room end of the lines are already punched down into a 5e data jack so I don't have to change both ends. |
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jeffmoss26
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Beachwood, OH
2 edits | reply to jjoshua
Even if it was temporary I would not ever do work like that...I certainly would not put my name on it.
Your quote that Home Depot selling 66 brackets separately makes me assume you got your blocks at Home Depot? By chance are you a computer tech and not a phone tech?
[Lets try to keep our criticism a little more constructive please - Dennis] |
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JoelC707
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| Yes I got them at Home Depot, primarily because it's the closest place and I don't have to wait for it to ship but the place of procurement doesn't really matter. If this were a permanent install then by all means I would have bought and installed the brackets for them. But since I knew it was getting ripped out and likely never used again anywhere, why pay for it?
Yes I am a computer tech primarily and while I don't consider myself a professional or claim to know how everything is done that doesn't mean I did it wrong. I agree it isn't the professional way to do it and most people would have never seen it had I not taken a picture to help Wayne explain his point. Sure most people would have still gotten the brackets anyway but I looked at it from a stand point of wasted money and I'm sure anyone else doing this for temporary use would have thought the same thing. |
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jeffmoss26
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Beachwood, OH | reply to jjoshua
I'm sorry but I don't take shortcuts even for a temporary setup. If you want to pay 12 bucks for a block at Home Depot then be my guest. May I ask why the voip system isn't in place yet? |
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JoelC707
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| Believe me, if this were for anything other than my own personal use at the office I would have gotten the brackets and done it "right", especially if I was being paid for the job and even if it were temporary. The voip system isn't in place yet cause until now we hadn't settled on how it would be done, what provider, what technology behind it, etc.
Originally I was going to do an Asterisk server out of one of the spare servers here and use Polycom phones or such. The trunk would have likely been a ViaTalk trunk. I then started broadening my search just to see what else was out there and found I could get Cisco phones for about the same cost as Polycom or Linksys phones. I really liked the Cisco offerings over the others but Polycom would have been my fall back choice.
Recently we started saturating our single T1 so when I contacted FDN to inquire about a bonded T1 I mentioned the voip plan and he gave me a quote for a PRI as well. I compared it to the ViaTalk trunk and individual PSTN lines and found the PRI to be the better deal. We're getting a 2821 router to run the bonded T1 and PRI so I'll likely run CallManager Express for the phone system. Right now I'm just waiting on the supplier for an updated quote on the router and once we get it in I'll schedule a time for the cut over of the internet and phone system. |
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