bump_fn
@verizon.net
| [modem/router] getting a wireless dsl modem
i am looking to upgrade my dsl modem (i currently have a westell 6100) to a wireless modem. verizon says they will sell me one for $85 ,which seems somewhat steep. can i buy one onilne for cheaper which will actually work? if so, where should i try to find one? thanks!  |
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Jodokast96
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Erial, NJ
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Since you have a 6100 already, you're probably better off just adding a wireless router. Having said that, the best place to get a cheaper modem is E-bay. Just make sure if you get a 327w it comes with the power adapter because the 6100's is not compatible. |
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bump_fn
@verizon.net
| maybe this is silly , but wouldn't putting another router on top of the dsl modem make things slower? given how dirt cheap they appear to be, i think i'm going to pick up a 327W... but will i have to do any shenanigans to reconfigure it or anything?
sorry for my ignorance and thanks so much!  |
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Jodokast96
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Erial, NJ | No, not any slower, and probably cheaper with more features. If you do get a 327w, as long as it's a Verizon modem, you won't have to do much more than what you do with your 6100 for an initial setup. |
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bump_fn
@verizon.net
| ok well, then let me ask a probably simpler question - is there a way to make my 6100 stop creating a subnetwork? i'm probably mangling the technical terminology, so let me explain what i mean.
my computer says it has an IP address of 192.168.*.*, whereas i know my external IP is actually 71.102.*.* Back when I was setting up a home network via cable modem, my computers that were plugged directly into the cable modem would have the same internal and external IPs. When I hooked up a wireless router to the cable modem, then things connecting to the wireless network would have differing internal and external IPs (and they all had the same external IP, of course.) my experience with this was that, at least empirically, things having to jump through more subnetworks would connect to the internet slower.
now, if i could turn this feature OFF on the 6100, i'd happily just go pick up a simple wireless router, but having a subnet inside another subnet seems unneccessary and slowing to my ignorant mind.
holy crap this is a lot of words, sorry  |
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djbear
join:2006-01-21 | Configuration > DHCP Configuration
Turn DCHP from private Lan to Off |
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bump_fn
@cox.net
| sweet jesus, what did i do. i went into DHCP config, and turned "private Lan" to "Off" and reset the modem, which didn't seem to change (i still had a self-assigned IP after resetting the modem) so i stupidly changed it from "private LAN" to "public LAN" and now i can't connect to the router configuration!  i am currently piggybacking on a neighbor's wireless network because my DSL is now claiming to not see the internet... man i should never mess around with this stuff. |
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Jodokast96
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1 edit | Dj, this is the second time you've given some bad advice in the last hour or so. Please make sure you know what you are talking about before commenting.
Bump, you have two options here. You can give your pc a temporary static IP of 192.168.1.2 and access the modem again to turn the Private Lan back on. Otherwise, if you are familiar with setting up your modem from scratch, just reset it. If you are PPPoE you will need to know your username and password for the account. To access the modem, the default is username/password.
As to your question of getting multiple IP's, you can't do it. There is no slowdown by using the subnet as you describe it. In addition, it provides you with an added level of security |
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Jodokast96
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·Verizon Online DSL
| BTW, getting an all in one doesn't change how everything will work. You will still have a 192.168.1.xxx LAN IP address with a separate WAN address. It will be exactly the same as having a separte modem and router, with the exception of one less piece of hardware. |
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bump_fn
@verizon.net
| reply to Jodokast96
thanks so much for all your help! i think i'll start looking into wireless routers. i wonder if I will still be able to set up a way to make bittorrent work through the router - but i'll burn that bridge when i get to it.
thanks again! |
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Jodokast96
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1 edit | Bit-torrent works fine, you just usually have to use port forwarding. BTW, the 6100 you currently have, is a modem router, just with a single ethernet port. If you were to add a simple switch or hub, it would be just like a 327w but without wireless.
*EDIT* Did you get your modem back up and running? |
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bump_fn
@verizon.net
| yes i did, it is working fine now.
i figured as much re. the 6100 acting as a router. i've considered getting a hub, but since i have computers in different rooms of an apartment, it would be really inconvenient to have cables running around through doorways and such (also it would be a pain to get a laptop on the network!)
as it stands now, i should probably start reading up on reviews of various wireless routers. |
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Jodokast96
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Erial, NJ | I just mentioned that to clarify how everything works. As far as routers, popular ones seem to be the Linkys WRT-54G and Netgear WGT-624. Don't quote me though, I've never used one myself, though I have set some up for people. |
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djbear
join:2006-01-21
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Don't want to argue with you Jodo, but if I am incorrect...
The OPs Question was... "is there a way to make my 6100 stop creating a subnetwork?"
Please tell me how You would shut of the DHCP Server
inside a Westell 6100/Versalink 327.
If you have a new way of doing this please tell me. |
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Jodokast96
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3 edits | And that is only part of the question. What he wanted to know is how does he get it to not create a subnetwork and for all of his pc's to pull public IP's. While this could be done in the past (and was against the TOS), Verizon has killed this ability in pretty much all areas. Also, what you didn't tell him, was that if you turn of the DHCP server, all you are doing is not assigning an IP from the modem. You aren't stopping the creation of a subnetwork. For them to function with the modem, you would still have to assign them IP's manually in the same subnet as the modem. What's the point of not creating the subnet if you now can't use the modem? I would have been content to discuss this in IM, as you had asked, but since you began to discuss it here, I'll oblige.
If you want to help, fine, all help is welcome. Just please make sure that it is the correct help. Telling someone how to turn off the DHCP server is not necessarily help. Determining exactly what the issue trying to be corrected and providing the relevant information is. |
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glemlin
join:2006-07-28
Thunder Bay, ON
| The short answer to the private lan part is the only way to do it, is by bridging the modem and having the single computer itself connect through it. Then it will pull the public ip itself (either as dhcp or pppoe). This is far less secure and possibly less stable though. As for wireless, the only way wireless will work, is by running through a given subnet. |
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rickonline
join:2005-11-15
North Bergen, NJ | reply to bump_fn
I have this modem/router and want to connect a second PC. What do I need to buy for the second PC?
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Rick |
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Jodokast96
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Erial, NJ | As long as the second PC already has an ethernet port, the minumum you will need is a switch. If you want wireless capabilities or more features than the 6100 offers, a router would be needed. |
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rickonline
join:2005-11-15
North Bergen, NJ | All I need to do is share the DSL connection. Any tips on the best place to buy the switch?
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Rick |
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Jodokast96
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| Just look for the best prices. Online, I usually do Newegg.com, Valuechief.com (a Newegg subsidiary), ZipZoomFly.com, and Tigerdirect.com. Plus any of the CircuitCity, BestBuy, office chains, Target, Walmart, etc. All the big names make them, Linksys, D-Link, Netgear, etc. |
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