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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| reply to bi0tech
Re: I hope there is a point where this all ends
Socialist are you?
The nation is founded on law. Contracts are part of law. If you don't like what you are about to get into... DON'T.
"I prefer to remember that America is a nation founded on recognizing the rights of all individuals, or at least it used to be."
That always sounds good in fairy tales and stories, but if you think this nation was ever about the right of individuals, you're really mistaken. But, to take what you are saying and go with that, the law DOES give everyone the same rights to the same laws.
I fail to see your logic.
Plain and simple, you don't like what companies are doing - guess what? You have the same right to make change... just most likely, as just about everyone is, too lazy to or uninterested to do so. Writing a message on a site like this isn't doing anything.
You speak of balance yet you have no concept of what it is. The balance on your side is your choice, your money, and your option to enforce and change laws. Choose to do nothing and accept what you get. YOU make the choice to do business with a company that says arbitration, YOU make the choice to continue that relationship and make up every excuse as to why you have no choice and how they are forcing you.
While what you say SOUNDS good, it holds no merit what so ever. It's a cop out.
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"Complaining is the least path of resistance for the self-serving, the lazy, and I’m told it’s a woman’s prerogative..." | |
KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK
 ·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
 ·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southwest
| Contracts are contracts... but false advertising, lying sales reps, or misrepresented or wrongly stated features and options are commonplace. Misleading people shouldn't be ok just because there was a legalese "Gotcha" in small print somewhere.
Clear, honest, ethical business would eliminate 99.9% of these problems and issues.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) | |
bi0tech
join:2003-06-19
| reply to fiberguy
Socialist no.
You seem to be completely ignorant of the fact that many of these situations people are dealing with companies where they have little or no choice, otherwise they would choose another company to deal with if any of them didn't employ the exact same tactics. Which by the way you may need a paralegal just to see the entire scope of if you had the choice. You seem to continually reiterate ignorance as some form of stupidity or sloth but there is no logical equation. It remains that it is common business practice for the rights on the individual/consumer to be bent, broken, and undermined on a daily basis through the use of dubiously enforceable legal wordings in 'fine print' situations. To infer that practice is correct or innate to business in some way is the real fairy tale.
but if you think this nation was ever about the right of individuals, you're really mistaken Let me guess, you are one of those people that refer to the constitution as an outdated piece of paper?
Balance? You have the choice to deal with a company or not, I grant you. However you have a choice to eat or not also, I think most people would choose to. You completely ignore that regardless of the capitalist propaganda, not everything is really a free market. Many people have only the choice to have nothing or to deal with the companies employing such practices. To say that it is somehow their deficiency for not somehow creating competition out of thin air is purely delusional. You are just putting the onus of legally enforceable business terms on the consumer, when they are in this position because they had no choice in their creation to begin with. So there is no legal responsiblity of gov't, no responsibility or punitive enforcement for corporations, all because the consumer is just a lazy sob.
You may want to get that peg leg shortened, you are leaning a bit too far to the right there. =) | |
fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Oh geez... if you ever read my posts, I've never hid the fact that I am neither right nor left... ok? So forget that.
HOWEVER, back to my rebut..
What you say sounds good.. however, it's not the way the world really is. You lost me right away with you say that people have little of no choice.. that does not give ANY credit to why you feel contracts should be written in looser terms. Again, read the comcast TOS.. tell me where you see anything that is less than real english wording. If you can't understand that TOS, then there is no hope. I've read my Sprint Nextel contract.. hell, I read them ALL! and guess what.. BEFORE I sign up or accept them! Fancy that...
.. Show me the contract that has the legal wording in fine print an then lets talk. This just shows me that you haven't read any of these "legal mumbo jumbo" contracts... maybe you should start reading the contract terms and stop complaining about them as much and you'd realize how far off you are right now.
The legal system we all live in doesn't see a single person any different from a company. The law is the law and we all live in the same world. If you don't understand the contract, don't take the service with out a lawyer reading it first. Don't want to do that? That's your choice and your loss.
There is nothing you can tell me that will change my mind on this. I am tired of the dumbing down of American for the lazy who want to be victims.
I don't think the system is always fair.. but the law is still the law.
And yes.. ignorance IS stupidity... at least as the uppers here define it. I've called people ignorant, however, those posts get pulled every time. If the mods here only knew what the word IGNORANT meant, they'd feel like idiots. To be ignorant is to over look, not pay attention.. with out.. ignorant of the facts... not knowing. Ignorant doesn't mean stupid.. but again, like I said, around here, people believe it does.
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