StraitShoot
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join:2003-02-08
Clinton, MA | The owner of the "Unsecured" WiFi should be arrested
If someone is stupid enough NOT to tie up their WiFi with a Password, they shouldn't care if someone else can "steal" the signal. Ineptness and ignorance shouldn't be rewarded. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
1 edit | said by StraitShoot  :If someone is stupid enough NOT to tie up their WiFi with a Password, they shouldn't care if someone else can "steal" the signal. Ineptness and ignorance shouldn't be rewarded. So if I forget to lock my door I DESERVE to get robbed? The robber shouldn't be punished because it would be just rewarding my ineptness? |
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roady1
join:2003-11-13
Cleveland, OH
| Of course not...
said by BF69 :said by StraitShoot :If someone is stupid enough NOT to tie up their WiFi with a Password, they shouldn't care if someone else can "steal" the signal. Ineptness and ignorance shouldn't be rewarded. So if I forget to lock my door I DESERVE to get robbed? The robber shouldn't be punished because it would be just rewarding my ineptness? But in this case you DESERVE to get into some trouble for redistributing the internet access which you agreed not to do in your ISP TOS. |
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mustang03282
join:2003-01-10
Bridgeton, NJ
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Re: The owner of the "Unsecured" WiFi should be arrested
said by BF69 :said by StraitShoot :If someone is stupid enough NOT to tie up their WiFi with a Password, they shouldn't care if someone else can "steal" the signal. Ineptness and ignorance shouldn't be rewarded. So if I forget to lock my door I DESERVE to get robbed? The robber shouldn't be punished because it would be just rewarding my ineptness? no but if you put something out in the trash should you have me arrested if i take it or better yet if you leave your front door wide open and the wind kicks up and 100$ blows off your desk out your front door and ends up flying through my open window and lands in my house am i a theif for spending it. This case may be diffenet becaus ethey were out in public space but the argument is similar if you dont want me on your network encrypt it or keep it the hell off my land. Wep encryption may be pointless because it can be cracked in under 10 min but its a way of telling people this is not a public access point |
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Noah Vail
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join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
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Why don't you take all of your belongings, and put them on the street.
At nighttime, anyone equipped with a flashlight could locate them and make use of them.
How smart would you be for doing that?
Are you still offended by somebody using your stuff when you have spent time and money to put it unattended in a public place?
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DataDoc
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join:2000-05-14
Greenville, NC
1 edit | reply to StraitShoot
Yeah, it's as if you installed software that misused your PC's file system, adding thousands of entries and didn't even ask first. You should have known better than install it.
Ineptness and ignorance shouldn't be rewarded. |
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ROCINANTE 2112
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join:1999-06-29
Hartsdale, NY
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Wow, logical fallacies and invalid analogies are making a comeback in this thread.
Why is the attitude of "innocent people deserve bad things to happen to them when they make mistakes" so pervasive on this board?
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AmeritecTech
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Houston, TX
| said by ROCINANTE 2112 :Wow, logical fallacies and invalid analogies are making a comeback in this thread. Why is the attitude of "innocent people deserve bad things to happen to them when they make mistakes" so pervasive on this board? Ignorance of the law and of technology is no excuse. If terrorist activity or other criminal activity takes place from an unsecured wireless connection, it may indeed be appropriate to make them partially liable for anything that takes place.
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ROCINANTE 2112
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Hartsdale, NY
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| ..and here is another one. The terrorist activity itself is obviously the point of contention. Is there actually a law that states that if someone grabs your signal to conduct terrorist activities, then you are partially liable? How does ignorance of the law apply here? If there isn't a law, then this would be a civil case. Perhaps in the court of public opinion someone would be considered liable, but where is the intent? What would "reasonable" people do? Is there negligence involved? What is the cause and effect? Do reasonable people purchase routers to allow others to conduct illegal activities? Of course not, and it does not matter if they are secured or not.
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
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Regardless, it is not free nor does the owner need to make it clear that it is not free as that should be a given. You have it ass backwards. Instead of assuming everything is free for the taking by default just because it is there and you can access it, why don't you assume you need permission to take it first. The burden is on you, not the owner.
It is people like you that think anything you are not specifically told to leave alone you can mess with that cause a vast majority of the problems in every society.
It isn't yours, you know it isn't yours, so STFU and move on to one that you know is being offered publicly. |
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AmeritecTech
Change we can believe in, 1922
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Houston, TX
| said by Skippy25 :Regardless, it is not free nor does the owner need to make it clear that it is not free as that should be a given. You have it ass backwards. Instead of assuming everything is free for the taking by default just because it is there and you can access it, why don't you assume you need permission to take it first. The burden is on you, not the owner. It is people like you that think anything you are not specifically told to leave alone you can mess with that cause a vast majority of the problems in every society. It isn't yours, you know it isn't yours, so STFU and move on to one that you know is being offered publicly. I'm puzzled why you'd choose to respond to that particular post, but whatever.
A router that is shouting at my wireless card "HEY BUDDY, HAVE AN IP!" is not even trying to keep me out, indeed, it is inviting me.
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Wrong, your NIC was shooting HEY CAN I HAVE AN IP. At least learn the basics for what your DA is going to argue.
I know, your next response is going to be that the router say yeah you can have an IP so all is good as permission was granted. I would say your fraudently accepted that IP and should be arrested for it. |
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Necronomikro
join:2005-09-01 | reply to BF69
Not necessarily, but, if you leave a baby out in a hot car (negligence), you deserve the legal repercussions. This is just another, less extreme, example of negligence. |
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AmeritecTech
Change we can believe in, 1922
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join:2002-09-06
Houston, TX
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said by Skippy25 :Wrong, your NIC was shooting HEY CAN I HAVE AN IP. At least learn the basics for what your DA is going to argue. I know, your next response is going to be that the router say yeah you can have an IP so all is good as permission was granted. I would say your fraudently accepted that IP and should be arrested for it. In what way did I commit fraud? I didn't spoof a MAC to pretend that I am an authorized computer and I didn't guess or brute any passwords. And why do you need to call me a dumb ass to discuss this with me?
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Necronomikro
join:2005-09-01 | reply to Skippy25
And before the nic could ask for an ip, it had to be told by the router that the router was there. What's your point? |
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AmeritecTech
Change we can believe in, 1922
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join:2002-09-06
Houston, TX
| said by Necronomikro :And before the nic could ask for an ip, it had to be told by the router that the router was there. What's your point? Not true, the SSID can be entered manually. SSID is broadcast for the purpose of people who do not know what the SSID is, or for convenience.
Requesting an IP is a roughly equivalent transaction to asking for entry into someone's house. As long as you represent yourself appropriately, ("My name is Bob and I sell vacuums" / "I am a computer using a wireless card with MAC ID xxxxxxxxx") granted access was not obtained fraudulently.
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greendragon
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join:2003-09-20
Stewartville, MN
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And I would say that if a person wants to use technology then they should either know how to set it up or hire someone that knows.
The fact that a SSID is being broadcast is not the problem. If you do not password protect it then it is open for anyone to use.
If my neighbor is transmitting the signal into my house and the router is allowing me to get an IP address then I should be able to. However when I ask for permission and it says no, then I cannot. If the neighbor is breaking his ISPs TOS by sharing his connection then he should be responsible for the consequences.
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roady1
join:2003-11-13
Cleveland, OH | Yep...
That's what I said  |
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aurgathor
join:2002-12-01
Lynnwood, WA
 ·Verizon west (ex G..
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Re: The owner of the "Unsecured" WiFi should be arrested
said by BF69 :said by StraitShoot :If someone is stupid enough NOT to tie up their WiFi with a Password, they shouldn't care if someone else can "steal" the signal. Ineptness and ignorance shouldn't be rewarded. So if I forget to lock my door I DESERVE to get robbed? The robber shouldn't be punished because it would be just rewarding my ineptness? Did the owner of the unsecured Wi-Fi had any monetary loss as a result of the alleged theft? |
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Necronomikro
join:2005-09-01 | reply to AmeritecTech
I mean for a random joe to connect, it needs to broadcast the SSID. I'm aware that you can have it not broadcast and enter that information manually. |
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