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Re: The owner of the "Unsecured" WiFi should be arrested so what about the other ignorant people that don't know how to stop there laptops from conencting to open ap's. should they be arested also?? |
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Dracut, MA | reply to aurgathor
said by aurgathor:Did the owner of the unsecured Wi-Fi had any monetary loss as a result of the alleged theft? No but I am sure the person using his internet was using up his bandwidth. Now if the person who pays for the services pays for bandwidth usage then yes the person accessing his services is causing a monetary loss.
Also lets not forget we cant apply US laws to this since this was in UK. |
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Its one thing for me to journey over to somebodys private property and make entry thru doors that are expected to be locked. Its an entirely different thing for me to be legally bebopping my way thru life and find out that somebodys signals are openly invading my space. I can either complain or be happy. I rather be happy and make the best of the situation. Free internet via unpassworded signals. Yipeeeeeee. But with the huge gray area in prosecutorial law in this respect that might allow me to win aquital of criminal activity, it would still cost me a huge pile of cash to simply defend myself. So anybody is a complete IDIOT to stand up and admit that they "freeload" their wifi if thats what you choose to call it. I claim that I am certainly legal but I in no way can afford to defend my claim finacially in todays court of law. The legal system is simply out of control financialy. |
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Yet another case of my post being deleted... This place is very hypocritical and I would be an idiot to proclaim my identity while talking about my cantenna lifestyle. I am content to talk anonomously, but there is no point when my words are deleted. |
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Dracut, MA | why proudly proclaim you have a cantenna lifestyle while hiding behind an anonomous post. THATS being a hypocrite. |
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Its about freekin time... How can you even meaningfully participate in any worthwhile discussion when your posts are roadblocked for such lengthy amounts of time? There comes a point when one cant help but think his posts are deleted. And its not like it was borderline vulger and 6 people had to wieght in on wether to allow it to post. Registering and then talking about behavior companies suit you into bancrupsy over is the height of stupidity. Once a person is targeted and served, he has lost. The legal system today is just too expensive no mater wether your innocent or guilty. Even if you win you lose so its best just to stay anonomus and not be a target. Those are the real winners. |
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| My connection thru RR cant see my posts. My connection thru AT&T can see my posts. Curious developement I will have to be aware of for future reference. |
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| reply to AmeritecTech
Regardless of any technological argument you try to make, you don't know if you are suppose to be using it, you can safely conclude in probably 99% of all cases (especially from your home) that they don't want you to use it, so until you receive permission by the OWNER to do so you should stay the hell off of it.
How you can connect to it and why doesn’t matter. You can blame them for not protecting it. You can blame the router for penetrating your walls. You can blame science for giving us the technology. And you can blame God for giving us the intelligence. But the bottom line is, you can safely conclude in virtually every single case they don't want you there so it is on you to seek permission to be there. |
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 AmeritecTechChange we can believe in, 1922Premium
join:2002-09-06
Houston, TX
kudos:6 | said by Skippy25:Regardless of any technological argument you try to make, you don't know if you are suppose to be using it, you can safely conclude in probably 99% of all cases (especially from your home) that they don't want you to use it, so until you receive permission by the OWNER to do so you should stay the hell off of it. How you can connect to it and why doesn’t matter. You can blame them for not protecting it. You can blame the router for penetrating your walls. You can blame science for giving us the technology. And you can blame God for giving us the intelligence. But the bottom line is, you can safely conclude in virtually every single case they don't want you there so it is on you to seek permission to be there. Except that I don't agree with your premise. Many people are happy to offer free access as evidenced by all the listings on nodedb.org.
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"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."
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| Exactly,
I leave my WIFI network wide open for the simple reason that if someone is using my network (roommate, family member, friend, etc) illegally, "unbeknownst to me", I can not be help liable for the "possibility" that someone accessed my network remotely.
Remember the RIAA case where the RIAA could not prove that the owner of the computer was in fact the person downloading songs because the WIFI network was unsecure and the "accused" DHCP IP address was the wireless router and not the private network IP address/computer name behind the router.
I do not endorse rouge behaviour, but I do not want to be placed in that position unfairly either.
Also, I am not a lawyer nor computer specialist, so I will not "assume" what is or is not legal versus ethical. |
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So find someone on that list that lives by you offering free wifi for your cheap freeloading ass. If you can't find someone, then go ask your neighbors if you can connect to their wireless. |
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said by Mudpie2 :
Exactly,
I do not endorse rouge behaviour, but I do not want to be placed in that position unfairly either. LOL. |
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AmeritecTechChange we can believe in, 1922Premium
join:2002-09-06
Houston, TX
kudos:6 | reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25:So find someone on that list that lives by you offering free wifi for your cheap freeloading ass. If you can't find someone, then go ask your neighbors if you can connect to their wireless. I don't freeload.
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It's my oxygen!!! lol! To all you freaks who think this is stealing... then don't come by my house. The plants and trees on my yard are producing oxygen that belongs to me! You can't breath it - even though it's in the public domain.
Of course, I can agree there's something to be said about leaning up against a private building and private property - but sitting on the street? |
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said by mustang03282:said by BF69:said by StraitShoot:If someone is stupid enough NOT to tie up their WiFi with a Password, they shouldn't care if someone else can "steal" the signal. Ineptness and ignorance shouldn't be rewarded. So if I forget to lock my door I DESERVE to get robbed? The robber shouldn't be punished because it would be just rewarding my ineptness? no but if you put something out in the trash should you have me arrested if i take it or better yet if you leave your front door wide open and the wind kicks up and 100$ blows off your desk out your front door and ends up flying through my open window and lands in my house am i a theif for spending it. This case may be diffenet becaus ethey were out in public space but the argument is similar if you dont want me on your network encrypt it or keep it the hell off my land. Wep encryption may be pointless because it can be cracked in under 10 min but its a way of telling people this is not a public access point Well said! |
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said by BF69:said by StraitShoot:If someone is stupid enough NOT to tie up their WiFi with a Password, they shouldn't care if someone else can "steal" the signal. Ineptness and ignorance shouldn't be rewarded. So if I forget to lock my door I DESERVE to get robbed? The robber shouldn't be punished because it would be just rewarding my ineptness? If you left your door unlocked and threw your stuff in the street, then yes I might take it. Just keep your wifi behind your un-locked door and I will not touch it, but extent it to my car and it is mine to take or use. |
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