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Re: The owner of the "Unsecured" WiFi should be arrested Wrong, your NIC was shooting HEY CAN I HAVE AN IP. At least learn the basics for what your DA is going to argue.
I know, your next response is going to be that the router say yeah you can have an IP so all is good as permission was granted. I would say your fraudently accepted that IP and should be arrested for it. |
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kudos:6 | said by Skippy25:Wrong, your NIC was shooting HEY CAN I HAVE AN IP. At least learn the basics for what your DA is going to argue. I know, your next response is going to be that the router say yeah you can have an IP so all is good as permission was granted. I would say your fraudently accepted that IP and should be arrested for it. In what way did I commit fraud? I didn't spoof a MAC to pretend that I am an authorized computer and I didn't guess or brute any passwords. And why do you need to call me a dumb ass to discuss this with me?
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And before the nic could ask for an ip, it had to be told by the router that the router was there. What's your point? |
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kudos:6 | said by Necronomikro:And before the nic could ask for an ip, it had to be told by the router that the router was there. What's your point? Not true, the SSID can be entered manually. SSID is broadcast for the purpose of people who do not know what the SSID is, or for convenience.
Requesting an IP is a roughly equivalent transaction to asking for entry into someone's house. As long as you represent yourself appropriately, ("My name is Bob and I sell vacuums" / "I am a computer using a wireless card with MAC ID xxxxxxxxx") granted access was not obtained fraudulently.
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And I would say that if a person wants to use technology then they should either know how to set it up or hire someone that knows.
The fact that a SSID is being broadcast is not the problem. If you do not password protect it then it is open for anyone to use.
If my neighbor is transmitting the signal into my house and the router is allowing me to get an IP address then I should be able to. However when I ask for permission and it says no, then I cannot. If the neighbor is breaking his ISPs TOS by sharing his connection then he should be responsible for the consequences.
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Re: The owner of the "Unsecured" WiFi should be arrested I mean for a random joe to connect, it needs to broadcast the SSID. I'm aware that you can have it not broadcast and enter that information manually. |
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so what about the other ignorant people that don't know how to stop there laptops from conencting to open ap's. should they be arested also?? |
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Regardless of any technological argument you try to make, you don't know if you are suppose to be using it, you can safely conclude in probably 99% of all cases (especially from your home) that they don't want you to use it, so until you receive permission by the OWNER to do so you should stay the hell off of it.
How you can connect to it and why doesn’t matter. You can blame them for not protecting it. You can blame the router for penetrating your walls. You can blame science for giving us the technology. And you can blame God for giving us the intelligence. But the bottom line is, you can safely conclude in virtually every single case they don't want you there so it is on you to seek permission to be there. |
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kudos:6 | said by Skippy25:Regardless of any technological argument you try to make, you don't know if you are suppose to be using it, you can safely conclude in probably 99% of all cases (especially from your home) that they don't want you to use it, so until you receive permission by the OWNER to do so you should stay the hell off of it. How you can connect to it and why doesn’t matter. You can blame them for not protecting it. You can blame the router for penetrating your walls. You can blame science for giving us the technology. And you can blame God for giving us the intelligence. But the bottom line is, you can safely conclude in virtually every single case they don't want you there so it is on you to seek permission to be there. Except that I don't agree with your premise. Many people are happy to offer free access as evidenced by all the listings on nodedb.org.
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I leave my WIFI network wide open for the simple reason that if someone is using my network (roommate, family member, friend, etc) illegally, "unbeknownst to me", I can not be help liable for the "possibility" that someone accessed my network remotely.
Remember the RIAA case where the RIAA could not prove that the owner of the computer was in fact the person downloading songs because the WIFI network was unsecure and the "accused" DHCP IP address was the wireless router and not the private network IP address/computer name behind the router.
I do not endorse rouge behaviour, but I do not want to be placed in that position unfairly either.
Also, I am not a lawyer nor computer specialist, so I will not "assume" what is or is not legal versus ethical. |
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So find someone on that list that lives by you offering free wifi for your cheap freeloading ass. If you can't find someone, then go ask your neighbors if you can connect to their wireless. |
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said by Mudpie2 :
Exactly,
I do not endorse rouge behaviour, but I do not want to be placed in that position unfairly either. LOL. |
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kudos:6 | reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25:So find someone on that list that lives by you offering free wifi for your cheap freeloading ass. If you can't find someone, then go ask your neighbors if you can connect to their wireless. I don't freeload.
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