j0hny
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Cotati, CA
clubs: | HELP! My son is a little hacker!! Well my 16 yr. old has found out how to bypass XP's password protection, so he can access my computer whenever he wants to. My question is, does anyone know of a program that replaces the Windows login? | |
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EUS
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clubs: | Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!! Change the password? | |
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j0hny
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| Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!! I've tried this, he found out how to get in by deleting the password in dos. It's easy to find out when he's done this because I have no password when I log in. Yes I do ground him when this happens, but I also can't help in feeling a sense of pride in his ingenuity  . This is why I was wondering if the was something else I could use, or replace the Windows login with. | |
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javaMan
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San Luis Obispo, CA
| Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!! said by j0hny  :I've tried this, he found out how to get in by deleting the password in dos. It's easy to find out when he's done this because I have no password when I log in. Yes I do ground him when this happens, but I also can't help in feeling a sense of pride in his ingenuity . This is why I was wondering if the was something else I could use, or replace the Windows login with. He's probably using something like this. In that case you should go into the BIOS and not allow booting from the CD drive first. Then set the BIOS password with a strong password. That should do it I would think.
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| Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!! said by javaMan :said by j0hny :I've tried this, he found out how to get in by deleting the password in dos. It's easy to find out when he's done this because I have no password when I log in. Yes I do ground him when this happens, but I also can't help in feeling a sense of pride in his ingenuity . This is why I was wondering if the was something else I could use, or replace the Windows login with. He's probably using something like this. In that case you should go into the BIOS and not allow booting from the CD drive first. Then set the BIOS password with a strong password. That should do it I would think. I'd second that. Also, if he is subverting your security, and "playing" around at being a little hacker, I'd be really cautious about what you do on that machine. If he is visiting seedy sites on the net, you may have worse hacker problems than your son resetting your password. | |
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tommy13v
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Glenville NY | reset the bios is quite easy though. He's probably using NT Password Reset utility that is available on CD or Floppy. Heck I can even remove the administrator password on an AD domain. | |
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javaMan
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2 edits | Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!! said by tommy13v :reset the bios is quite easy though. . . True enough. But if the boy is going to go so far as to start tearing the computer apart to gain access, the father has bigger problems. The only other alternatives are to physically secure the machine or resort to whole drive encryption. Hopefully, neither will be necessary.
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javaMan
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1 edit | Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!! said by Stumbles :That might slow him down but so long as a user has physical access to a machine, well all bets are off. Especially if he finds sites like this; » www.uktsupport.co.uk/reference/biosp.htm Whether you are right will depend on two things: the boy's level of sophistication and his willingness to continue to defy his parents. The solution to this problem, in my mind, should start with the least level required and escalate as needed.
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doppler
join:2003-03-31
Blue Point, NY | Install a kill switch on the machine. Of course it must be locked away as well.
Nothing will stop a hacker, who has physical access to the machine.
This is plain and simple logic. Now all you have is make it
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javaMan
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1 edit | Why would you think that some software, assuming there was some, would be any better than the current login? Change the password to something he's not likely guess. Try this one: kIn2Mxqm56CxY You get the idea. | |
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Siko
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clubs: | Lock your computer in a room with a fingerprint lock. | |
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redwolfe_98
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| did you create a password for the "administrator" account? if not, that is probably how he is able to bypass any other passwords, if he can login to the administrator account by simply leaving the password for it blank..
to create a password for the administrator account, go to "start"/"run" and type "control userpasswords2" and then press "OK" and then create a password for the "administrator" account.. | |
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javaMan
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| Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!! said by redwolfe_98 :did you create a password for the "administrator" account? if not, that is probably how he is able to bypass any other passwords, if he can login to the administrator account by simply leaving the password for it blank.. to create a password for the administrator account, go to "start"/"run" and type "control userpasswords2" and then press "OK" and then create a password for the "administrator" account.. Good point. Most users don't bother to set a password for the built-in Administrator account (why Microsoft doesn't require that during set up I'll never know) but that would certainly be a good thing to check.
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Marwan
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| Easy solution buy PGP... you can encrypt your entire hard disk so that FBI can't get in... Your son has no chance to get in...
Just search google for PGP... pgp.com
sorted!!! | |
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FiL
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!! don't you mean downgrade to no GUI? lol. go home. | |
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Drunkula
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Denton, TX | He may have also installed a key logger. PGP may not help if that is the case.
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1 edit | Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!! but the disk encryption wont even let you into the OS (or even the disk in any way) without the password... so as long as the father did a scan and a check for keyloggers... son has no chance. | |
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j0hny
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Cotati, CA
clubs: | Every account has a password, I scan regularly with Adaware and Spybot, I've always been pretty good with all of this. I will try the bios option, thx javaman. | |
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Tychicus
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| Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!! Don't work about setting passwords in Windows or buying any equipment.
All he is doing is (like others have said) booting with either a floppy or cd that has an "offline" administrator password changer.
These are all over the net, I use them all the time because I always forget my long ass passwords.
Just go into the bios and see what security settings are in there that can be set. Change the boot order to hard drive first and nothing after that, then password protect the bios itself.
Now, he may be smart enough to open up the case and take the bios battery out to reset the bios settings back to default. If so, then you can either use start removing cables when you leave or just beat his ass. 
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javaMan
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1 edit | Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!! said by sansri88 :Bah. Don't worry about it. I'm his age, and I'm the one that has to lock my parents out of the computer so they don't do anything stupid. He probably won't do anything, just figuring out how to do this. You're missing the point as I'm sure you would at your age. The bigger issue is whether the boy will respect the limits his father has put on him and clearly that is not the case. I'm sure your parents expect you to abide by the rules they place on you whatever they may be.
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FiL
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| Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!! Me thinky's its wrong to give parenting advice over the internet. Your words don't matter in that "realm". To each his own, just give the guy a hand in figuring out how to stop the intrusion. Isn't that all he asked for? lol. you guys and your "advice". LOL. its like watching Doctor Phil on this board... | |
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javaMan
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2 edits | Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!! said by FiL :Me thinky's its wrong to give parenting advice over the internet. Your words don't matter in that "realm". To each his own, just give the guy a hand in figuring out how to stop the intrusion. Isn't that all he asked for? lol. you guys and your "advice". LOL. its like watching Doctor Phil on this board... Perhaps you replied to me in error but if you'll reread my posts I never offered any parental advice and I did offer a solution to the OP's problem. My comment was in reply to a young man who advised that it was no big deal and to point out that the issue was more about defying his parent's wishes.
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Blackbird
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| said by FiL :...just give the guy a hand in figuring out how to stop the intrusion. Isn't that all he asked for? lol. you guys and your "advice". LOL. its like watching Doctor Phil on this board... He can stop the son's intrusions by impressing upon his son (in whatever manner works for the both of them) that such things are simply wrong, particularly when they involve breaking clearly stated rules. Trust. What better security will he find than that? Technologically securing a computer against physical intrusion will be costly, only partially effective against a creative intruder, or cumbersome (in terms of impact on ordinary legitimate use)... it can be done, but the results aren't pretty.
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Anav
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Siryak
join:2005-11-26 | Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!! Just curious, but why do you want to keep him off the computer anyway? I mean it's not like he's 5 or something! | |
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Armaina
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| Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!! said by Siryak :Just curious, but why do you want to keep him off the computer anyway? I mean it's not like he's 5 or something! Most likely because he doesn't want his son getting on the computer just any time he feels like it, (which, that is what the user has stated) just like regulating TV time or video game time.
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Blackbird
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Fort Wayne, IN
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| said by j0hny :Well my 16 yr. old has found out how to bypass XP's password protection, so he can access my computer whenever he wants to. My question is, does anyone know of a program that replaces the Windows login? Assuming your words were accurate ("my computer") and assuming you've expressly told him to obey your computer access rules, you have a son who is consciously refusing to respect other people's property. The result, in any setting other than your home, would be termed "vandalism" or "illegal entry" - and he would be in serious legal trouble. You must deal firmly with the ethics situation first, since the type of lock or security you might apply is ultimately immaterial if your son continues choosing to use his cleverness to violate basic life rules and invade others' property. You may elect to let him slide on such things, but a future employer or society in general is likely to take a much tougher and negative view of such behavior.
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BarneyBadAss
Badasses Fight For Freedom
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| Go here »www.microsoft.com/technet/sysint···een.mspx
and install this as 1 a screen saver and 2 a splash screen
It's sure to get his attention.
2). make it so that the system will only boot from primary HDD only and bypass any attempt at booting from anything else.
3). put in a HW power on password in the bios.
4). put in a chunk of code that after the system comes up prompts you for a second password.
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GadgetsRme
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1 edit | Get a drive drawer, mount your hard drive in it, and take it out and secure it in a lockable file cabinet or take it with you. If the hard drive isn't there he's not going to be able to do anything.
edit: My drive drawer only cost $40.00 + tax.
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elios
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and yea bios pass is useless if he dont care to cover his tracks
when i did that crap i used to make back door for my self
that way it would look like nothing changed
a BIOS pass is a pain becouse i can re-set it but i cant put it back as it was
imo do what my parents did take the keyboard and mouse and or monitor cable | |
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