La Luna
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Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!!
said by j0hny  :.....I guess I should say I don't mind if he is on my computer, but I built him his own computer so he has no need to be on mine. He has a habit of infecting himself with adware, probly when he is on sites looking for hack ideas to show me up, he likes to compete with me about who knows more about computers. I don't believe on restricting his surfing habits and I occasionally "look over his shoulder" to make sure he's not chatting with undesirables. The way I see it, the more he knows now, the better it will be for him later. I'm in no way a computer novice and can't believe I didn't think of the bios idea. So I make sure he's not doing anything illegal and he knows right from wrong. Again my main reason for him not getting on mine is so I'm not having to spend the time to remove all the crap off of it. Well, are you serious about wanting to keep him from accessing your computer or not? Or is this just a competition between the two of you to see who can out do the other?
I see a bunch of things in that post that tell me he's not a kid I'd want on MY computer, starting with the fact that he obviously has no idea how to keep his own computer secured, so why would you see this as a "competition" when he would have no problem screwing up your computer?
If he "knows right from wrong", why is he touching your computer if you've told him not to? You can't be serious about making rules and then turn it into a game at the same time.
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j0hny
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Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!!
Ok, I guess I can see where most of you are coming from, and that is not what this was about. He's in no danger of becoming a criminal, this is just with the household computers. He's a good kid and has too much of a conscience to do anything illegal, any time he's done something wrong in his life (which is not often)he's come to me and told me about it because he just felt bad. He even came to me recently because a friend of his stole a candy bar from the mini mart and he wanted to know if he should do something. We always get compliments on how good our kids are. I'm getting tired of being outsmarted by the kid when it comes to this I guess. Believe me, if I find out he's been working the computers at school or somewhere else I'd put my foot in his ass. For the most part, the kid is more obsessed with overclocking than he is with hacking.
Like I said, I'll try the bios thing, and see how that goes. |
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makaze
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pog
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To restrict access:
1) get a lockable case
2) disable boot via floppy/removable media
3) add a BIOS password
4) add passwords to all XP accounts
To allow limited access:
5) install software such as CleanSlate »www.fortresgrand.com/products/cls/cls.htm
6) give son password to a limited account
However, as many have already said, the biggest issue is with him not respecting your wishes. I use the above approach with very good results in "public" computing areas and with certain "problem" employees. In these cases, it's basically adversarial and I'm only thinking of protecting our equipment and resources. I would hold my kids (and myself) to a much higher standard of trust in our own home.
In the end, there's a balance between relying on trust and being able to afford damage/loss. It sounds like your home PC is not mission critical so the scales should be tipping very much in favor of "trust".
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said by j0hny :I'm in no way a computer novice and can't believe I didn't think of the bios idea. If the case doesn't have a lock on it, the BIOS idea is just as weak if not weaker than a Windows password. |
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ssddss
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Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!!
get a removable hard drive and pull it out when you leave. Thats what I did when I grounded my kids from the computer. |
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jaykaykay
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I won't give any advice, as all that I might have said and then some, has already been said. No matter what is done, this kid is going to do what he wants unless he has a reason not to. At this point, I haven't heard anything that would indicate he has any respect, and that's not something a piece of software or a change of the BIOS, etc. will provide. He's 16 and is not a kid when it comes to computers. If he's doing this with dad's computer, can you imagine what he's doing at his friend's or even at school. About all I can say is good luck, dad. He needs a reason to stop and one that's logical and workable for him. This is not a control issue any more.
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vick04
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At that age i dont think he should be running as admin. Even though you gave him his own computer i think you should make a reguler user account for him and do the bios trick so he doesnt reset the admin password. This way anytime he needs to install something you'll have to approve of it. This will prevent him from trying out any hacking tricks and stop all the adware/malware.
Your starting on a very bad path by giveing him what he wants. Now he knows that if he wants something he'l just have to out smart dad until he gives in. |
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youveshutmedown
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Re: HELP! My son is a little hacker!!
should have included a link, sorry
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Elr5K2Vuo |
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j0hny
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Wow, turned into a hot topic! I just got back from taking my daughter to the doctor. I guess I should say I don't mind if he is on my computer, but I built him his own computer so he has no need to be on mine. He has a habit of infecting himself with adware, probly when he is on sites looking for hack ideas to show me up, he likes to compete with me about who knows more about computers.
I don't believe on restricting his surfing habits and I occasionally "look over his shoulder" to make sure he's not chatting with undesirables. The way I see it, the more he knows now, the better it will be for him later. I'm in no way a computer novice and can't believe I didn't think of the bios idea. So I make sure he's not doing anything illegal and he knows right from wrong. Again my main reason for him not getting on mine is so I'm not having to spend the time to remove all the crap off of it. |
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youveshutmedown
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said by javaMan :said by slckusr :do kids break into the liquor cabinet anymore ? Yes they do and unfortunately these days, their parents dope stash too. Which reminds me of that old 80's anti-drug commercial. "I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU DAD!" |
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javaMan
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said by slckusr :do kids break into the liquor cabinet anymore ? Yes they do and unfortunately these days, their parents dope stash too.
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slckusr
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do kids break into the liquor cabinet anymore ? |
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javaMan
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1 edit | reply to Stumbles
said by Stumbles :That might slow him down but so long as a user has physical access to a machine, well all bets are off. Especially if he finds sites like this; » www.uktsupport.co.uk/reference/biosp.htm Whether you are right will depend on two things: the boy's level of sophistication and his willingness to continue to defy his parents. The solution to this problem, in my mind, should start with the least level required and escalate as needed.
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OZO
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join:2003-01-17 | reply to j0hny
My advice would be - do not play games with computer access. You'll end up with loosing all your data.
Talk to you your son and tell him - it's not a toy (or is it?)
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KrK
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Simple, indefeatable option....
Install a removable hard-drive bay.. put your hard-drive in that bay. When you don't want someone on the PC, pull the drive and take it with you (Or put it in safe or whatever.)
No drive = No Data, No OS, no nadda |
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Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
| reply to javaMan
That might slow him down but so long as a user has physical access to a machine, well all bets are off. Especially if he finds sites like this; »www.uktsupport.co.uk/reference/biosp.htm |
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