Re: EVDO Questions... in Sprint Mobile Broadband http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18927963 en Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:12:26 EDT Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:12:26 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19078247 CMoore2004 : My PX500 transmits at a normal output of 7-10dBm according to the manual, with a max of 24dBm. The U720 is also 7-10dBm normal with a max of only 23dBm. It seems the U720 puts out a slightly nicer signal, though. The AC595 seems to lack reasonable documentation...
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You can't make all the people happy all of the time. But it should be common sense to shoot for the majority.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19078201 Sat, 15 Sep 2007 01:37:20 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19078141 CMoore2004 : Just a note... it looks like the 595U is capable of using the most power. I'd guess the more power it uses, the stronger it broadcasts, but I'm not any radio expert.
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Charter 5M | Windows XP MCE SP2 | Mobile AMD Athlon 64 4000+ | 1.5GB RAM | ATI Mobile Radeon X600 128MB | 120GB HDD]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19078072 Sat, 15 Sep 2007 01:05:03 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19077553 Ryley : Great answer, just what I've been looking for. I've been trying to decide on Sprint or Verizon, and whether to go with usb or express card. I'd like usb but have read about all the problems with the 595u. I want to be able to move the card to different computers, desktop and laptop, and will be traveling, so I'm bound to be in fringe areas at times. I'll have to look closer at the u720, and I'm leaning toward Sprint.

Thanks again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19077553 Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:17:58 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18942443 hitman_001 : I dont think its necesarilly to save power. I just believe the configuration is different on a PCMCIA card and a USB card. I suppose the PCMCIA card allocates more pins for power giving the card the power it needs. The USB modems all supply a different power route that adds basically an another source of power aside from the single usb port. The U720 provides a Y adaptor that draws power from two powered usb hubs and funnels it into the U720. The 595U on the other hand, tries to be a little more slick in this by implementing an onboard battery that is charged from the usb hub while the connection is disconected/dormant.

Will the U720 work without the Y adaptor in place? YES, but its not able to power up to its full capabilities when connected that way. Just like the 595U will operate with the battery low/discharged, but again not at optimum levels.

The benefit of the U720 over the 595U is that you have no battery to worry about. However you do need a second USB port, which is not allways available. That is where the 595U has its potential, but you also need to consider your coverage on the 595U, battery expenditure is higher the weaker your signal is, and you can ultimately drain your battery with heavy use. You need to weigh the pro's and cons when deciding on a USB modem to determine whats best for you and your situation.
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You can't make all the people happy all of the time. But it should be common sense to shoot for the majority.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18941795 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:02:32 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18941269 hitman_001 : The 595U is not the preferred modem to use in "fringe" areas. It carries an onboard battery that has to work harder to push out the power to connect and stay connected, especially during high bandwidth usage in less than ideal coverage areas. After a while you'll see your battery begin to deplete and ultimely even die. Then it will be sitting there with a red light on continuously and possibly not putting out as much power as it should be and effecting your connection.

The U720 comes with a Y adaptor that allows you to plug it into 2 powered usb ports and doesnt need a battery. Less stuff to go wrong, does the same job.. = better product.
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Hn7000s Small Office plan/.74m dish & 1Watt Trans on Satmex 5 Signal: 86/Win XP Pro SP2/P4 3gig, 2Gigs Ram, Radeon X1300 500meg video]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18941269 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:45:37 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18938344 jjgb10 : The U720 and 595U are both very good USB adapters. The U720 is only $50 while the 595U is $100. The 595U also has a battery that has caused some problems because it will run dead in a low signal area such as your own and then you're screwed.

I would order the U720 through Millenicom and then order the $82 external omni from 3gstore or a yagi if you can find one. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18938344 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:19:22 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18936435 LiquidSean : Is the Novatel Ovation U720 the best EVDO USB card from Millenicom? Or is it the 595 thing?

What Do you recommend as an antenna? I need it to be EXTREMEly good at dissipating noise and improving signal. I think I'm gonna buy it from 3gstore.com. I'm going to buy the amp from 3gstore.com (The only one that they have)

THANKS EVERYONE]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18936435 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:50:57 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18933356 jjgb10 : I'm gonna recommend not buying a router yet just so you can test the USB adapter first with the external antenna to see if you can get service.

The best USB card right now is the Novatel U720. Go to 3gstore.com and click on the Novatel U720 on the left. Then you will see the KR1 router and antennas as well as an amp. I would try the external omni antenna and if you really want an amp get one but I think they're too expensive. I would just try it with the antennas first.

So now I would order the U720 through Millenicom and the Omni External antennas through 3gstore.com and get them setup right away to see if you can get service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18933356 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:02:05 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18933302 LiquidSean : Cool. Now I just need to know what a good (i.e. cheap) Booster antenna and amp is. (I think I'll buy a Kyocera Router) Also, what's the best USB card from Millenicom?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18933302 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:53:10 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18933257 jjgb10 : You have 30 days for Millenicom to return everything. I think you are out shipping though but that's not much at all. 3GStore has a 14-day policy and you are also out shipping through them too.

So if nothing works, you'll probably have ended up paying $30 for shipping maybe a little more. It's not much. You will probably end up picking it up though especially with an external antenna.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18933257 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:45:36 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18933221 LiquidSean : So say my reception isn't good enough, or that I get no bars at all, even with the point-to-point antennas, I can return the stuff to 3g store and Millenicom, for full refund and free shipping?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18933221 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:39:06 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18933025 jjgb10 : They don't sell those accessories direct. A good place to order them is »3gstore.com They sell good Wilson Omnis and other antennas as well as an amplifier.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18933025 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:09:24 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18932989 LiquidSean : Hmmm... Now I'm thinking about ordering service from Millenicom, as it's the same price as SERO, so do they supply you with antennas and amps?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18932989 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:04:09 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18932768 jjgb10 : Millenicom also has a trial which I have talked to them about. They said try it anywhere you want for a month and if it doesn't work out for you, just return everything back to us for a full refund.

Their customer service and support is MUCH better than Sprint. It is a no-brainer to go with them over Sprint directly. I don't know why anyone would go with Sprint direct now. This is cheaper with no contract. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18932768 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:17:26 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18930458 Fox McCloud : Sprint and Sprint SERO (www.sprint.com/sero) ...those 2 come to mind.

3GStore (whom I personally detest) has a return policy of 14 days.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18930458 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:28:21 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18929821 LiquidSean : Fox McCloud, which people give you the 30-day trial?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18929821 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:04:25 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18928142 jjgb10 : You own the equipment after one year. But who cares about owning the equipment. You can cancel at any time in two years. I would rather have a way out than to own equipment.

The AC595 is also a very high rated PCMCIA card. There is also a Franklin CDU-680 coming out shortly for $49.99 at millenicom that has the Sprint connection managers for Windows, Mac, and Linux built in to the USB adapter so there is no need to install anything.

I would highly recommend going with Millenicom. If you want to cancel, why would you need the device anyway, right?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18928142 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:57:35 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18928093 Fox McCloud : that website is ok, but you never really own the equipment....

if you want to own the equipment though, go to www.sprint.com/sero and user "gary.forsee@sprint.com" as the e-mail address; you can get the S720 (debatably the best EVDO Revision A card currently available...PCMCIA wise) for $100 with a monthly cost of $49.99.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18928093 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:52:16 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18927963 jjgb10 : »www.millenicom.com/mobilebroadband/

$49.99 a month with no fees, taxes, or contracts.

PX-500 for Free or Novatel U720 for $49.99

They resell Sprint EVDO so its the same as sprint. PM me and I will help you through the process. It is a manual process and is not all automated and fancy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18927963 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:37:07 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18927828 LiquidSean : Thanks, so where should I get my equipment from? (Sprint?)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18927828 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:21:55 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18927789 Fox McCloud :
said by LiquidSean See Profile :

Oh yeah, you answered me on the other forums, lol

Thanks for all the stuff. So if I'm like four miles away from the orang on the map can I get it?
hard to say; I'd just "try and see".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18927789 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:18:34 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18927776 LiquidSean : Oh yeah, you answered me on the other forums, lol

Thanks for all the stuff. So if I'm like four miles away from the orang on the map can I get it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18927776 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:16:26 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18927739 jjgb10 : Most of alltel is Rev.0 now but they also have plans to finish upgrading to Rev.A before the end of the year.

Fox McCloud, do you agree Sprint is probably the way to go now and see if it works? The coverage maps show EVDO all around his town so he should try that first and then Verizon last choice is what I think.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18927739 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:11:17 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18927627 Fox McCloud :
said by LiquidSean See Profile :

So what is the latency? (How many Ms?) Is it ok for online gaming like Quake, etc....

Is it free to roam on the Verizon network?

Can you roam on Verizon network 24/7?
I covered this over at EVDOForums (yup, I'm the same Fox McCloud :P)

basically, if you're in a good location, you'll probably have around 100 ms to Google.com....and 140-200ms in a game....it's not the greatest latency, but still, overall, better than dial-up or satellite.

No you can't roam on Verizon's EVDO network; only their 1xRTT network which has a max speed of 144k and latency (to Google) around 300-350 ms (OUCH! Not as bad as satellite, but useless for online gaming).

the only EVDO network you can roam on is Alltel's EVDO network; and most of it is EVDO Revision 0.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18927627 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:58:09 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18927619 jjgb10 : Latency is anywhere from 100ms-250ms depending on signal and obstacles and whatnot.

Sprint does not roam on Verizon's EVDO network nor does Verizon roam onto Sprint's EVDO Network.

Sprint and Alltel do have a COMPLETE EVDO roaming roaming agreement which means they can both roam onto each other's highspeed networks for free. So if you don't get sprint EVDO you can roam onto Alltel's EVDO for free and vice versa. Alltel has more rural EVDO coverage areas.

Verizon has 0 EVDO roaming agreements so Sprint is better because them combined with alltel have way more EVDO coverage than Verizon does.

I would try Sprint first and if you get nothing with them, then try Verizon as the last option. Let me know]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18927619 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:57:20 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18927212 LiquidSean : So what is the latency? (How many Ms?) Is it ok for online gaming like Quake, etc....

Is it free to roam on the Verizon network?

Can you roam on Verizon network 24/7?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18927212 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:11:55 EDT Re: EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18926594 jjgb10 : 1) If you can currently pick up an EVDO connection, an omni mounted outside your home will definitely improve your signal.

2,3) Speed is a little faster on Sprint and there is no cap per month. Latency is also similar.

4) I put in the town listed under your username and it looks like EVDO is all around you but you are in a roaming area. I suggest getting a Sprint EVDO card and trying it and if it doesn't work, return it within 30 days.

I also recommend going with Millenicom Mobile Broadband. They resell Sprints EVDO for $49.99 a month with no taxes, fees, or 2-year contract. That is $10 cheaper than Sprint a month with no contract. Their customer service is also ALL based in the United States and they are VERY knowledgeable about their service.

Hope this helps you. PM me if you decide to go with Millenicom and I will help you get setup. Thanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18926594 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:57:34 EDT EVDO Questions... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18926309 LiquidSean : I'm on satellite internet right now (I HATE IT!!!) and I recently bought a verizon phone with EV-DO Capabilities.... Throughout my house there are some places which get the EV icon to display (No bars though) But I read that Verizon only lets you download 5gB a month, which sucks, so I decided to look into sprint EV-DO. Now I have a couple of Questions

1.) Will an omni-directional antannae improve my 0-bars?
2.) What is the latency of Sprint?
3.) What is the speed?
4.) Since I know I can get Verizon, does that mean I can 100% get sprint?

THX in advance!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18926309 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:17:13 EDT