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Re: Employees cost too much..... said by CableTool:I stated the nature of the business benefits contractors because they are always needed and they will always work. Sorry, but this is NOT always the case. If the work dries up, so does the job. Sometimes other shops do not have work to give to those from less busy areas.
And if there is enough work to keep a contractor busy for 6 days, then there is enough work to hire someone permanent. |
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 CableToolPoorly Representing MYSELF.Premium
join:2004-11-12 | said by moonpuppy:said by CableTool:I stated the nature of the business benefits contractors because they are always needed and they will always work. Sorry, but this is NOT always the case. If the work dries up, so does the job. Sometimes other shops do not have work to give to those from less busy areas. And if there is enough work to keep a contractor busy for 6 days, then there is enough work to hire someone permanent. Well.. after 14 years in the business Ill have to respectfully disagree.
I worked 6 days a week. I didnt work for the same company or even the same shop every day. But the company I contracted for gave me a route every single day, Monday through Saturday for years.
Of course if you want to disregard the fact that contractors can work in different shops throughout the week which I posted probably 5 times now then your statement is correct. Hell, anyone can take half of what I said and keep a debate going. In the end it just really shows ignorance and amounts to nothing more then petty trolling.
There is enough work to hire someone permanent. But not someone permanent to bounce from shop to shop. Ive worked in pretty much every shop in the state of Illinois.
You guys can go on and on and on and Im not even sure what the debate is about anymore.. but its pretty obvious no one in this thread really knows anything about the industry or how anything related to it works.
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CableToolPoorly Representing MYSELF.Premium
join:2004-11-12 | reply to JTRockville
said by JTRockville:It's understandable why Shatlock would rather hire employees than contractors - the article lays that out nicely. No one in this topic (except you) said it would be a horrible thing. Really? Can you point out to me where I said that getting rid of contractors would be a horrible thing? I think I stated it would be hard to do as they are a needed resource.
Everyone else stated that it was a horrible thing. Job security, crumbs, sad, etc etc. I think Im the only one who DIDNT say it was horrible.
Thanks for playing sybil.
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join:2005-08-19
kudos:2 | reply to JTRockville
CableTool has explained this topic about a half of a dozen times. And VERY clearly, I might add. So clearly, in fact, anyone with an 8th grade education should be able to grasp it.
Bottom line:
Contractors are a needed asset during high times and unneeded during the slower times.
When it is slow in one area, there is likely work somewhere else: be it Dish installations or another cable shop, depending on the contracts the contracting company has.
Incidentally, if the contracting company doesn't have enough business to keep their employees busy, it's their own fault. This industry is always seeking labor in some form. If I were working at one of those places that can't retain clients, I would definitely seek employment elsewhere. As a matter of fact, I did just that after working for one.
I am sure this post will add to the confusion. In that case, just ignore it because you don't understand and obviously can not be taught about this particular subject until you have actually had experience in it. |
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Phugg
join:2004-09-30
Riverbank, CA | reply to moonpuppy
Oh I see it now, A full crew of 30 in-house techs with enough work for 15 ... that means YOUR BILL GOES UP , then YOU complain , we rebut , you complain, we rebut . etc etc. No matter what , it has been stated , Contract labor is a needed entity in the Cable business.
50 in house techs = $20hr x 10hrs x 8 days + vehicle cost +insurance cost + warehouse cost (more techs = more support for techs) + insurance + benefits (medical dental etc) + 40 matching contributions + 1-4 weeks vac yearly (which = non productivity.
Now Contractor may cost $25hr (to contract Company not actual employee) . (period)
You do the math ....
I have not worked as a contractor , but was a DOD employee as well. DOD = Doesnt offer Dick ... most the people I worked with where retired Military (which I am also) who could care less about the job , and JUST the paycheck. That was the shop I was in , Not all. I have seen some great DOD shops around , I just wasnt lucky enough to be in one. Hence why I left. The union there was a complete Joke , protecting the Meek and screwing the strong. People would walk on eggshells around a couple people in fear of being sued for haresment , which one person had done successfully 6 times in 6 different departments. Get of your damn high-hourse and look at the Business side of it all , because in the end IT IS A FRIGGIN BUSINESS !! |
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I been doing computer work for 10 years (3 years as a contractor) and I have seen what happens when the work slows down. Contractors are told not to come in and there is no other place for them to go. No work, no pay.
It is not always as simple as "going to another shop" as you claim it is.
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Phugg
join:2004-09-30
Riverbank, CA | reply to moonpuppy
It is not always as simple as "going to another shop" as you claim it is.
In YOUR field that sounds true, in the cable industry That IS the claim. |
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ive been a contractor for various cable cos for 15 yrs. what cabletool said is all true. the other people basically have never been a cable contractor and have no idea how anything works .
JTROCKVILLE how do you know anything about cable contracting? have you ever been one? how many contractors are in our shop? what percentage of installs are done by us or inhouse? what other work does our company do? how much money do i make? ive never been laid off so id just like to know where you're getting all this inside info on how contracting is for comcast???
computer industry? moonpuppy we are talking about cable contracting for comcast. nothing to do with computer contractors, or any other type of contractor. |
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said by Phugg: In YOUR field that sounds true, in the cable industry That IS the claim. Might be true in your area but not around this area. |
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| is that right??? well our company is cable contracting in YOUR AREA RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK. IN 6 systems in FLORIDA, 5 systems in PA, delaware, NewJersey and 3 systems in Maryland. Virginia and california are in the works. Again there is alot in the cable contracting world you and JT have no idea about. but think what you want. keep telling people that are DOING everyday , or have done all their life (CABLETOOL) what you claim isnt happening......
also Like 5 years ago I was in a heated debate on this very same forum with some people that claimed comcast was getting rid of all contractors by year end. Turns out they didnt know what they were talking about either. |
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