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<description><![CDATA[Fox McCloud posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1274664" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1274664');">robertfl</a>:</small><br><br>BTW, Fox, nice to see another Ron Paul supporter. I hope he wins.<br><br>-Rob</div>It's also nice to meet a fellow Ron Paul supporter; I, too, hope he wins. :)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:22:35 EDT</pubDate>
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<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-more-10-Meg-rumors-19210799</link>
<description><![CDATA[robertfl posted : Embarq does offer cheap service. <br>But until we can get 5.0 service or the 10.0 service..<br><br>(Not only that, they peer from atlanta to orlando... or has that changed?) <br><br>BTW, Fox, nice to see another Ron Paul supporter. I hope he wins.<br><br>-Rob]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 04:19:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Fox McCloud posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/927966" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=927966');">Icon</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/683237" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=683237');">MrMoody</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/377086" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=377086');">orph4824</a>:</small><br><br>I wanna see them get rid of copper and go fiber to the pole(FTTP) then have copper drops from there, would all but eliminate noise and distance limits </div>There are no poles here.  :(<br>;)<br> </div>Then fiber to the ped.  :)<br> </div>and neither pole nor ped. here ;) <br><br>For me it would be more "fiber to the premise".<br><br>Ahh, thanks again, orph. So, I take it with FTTP (pole/ped./premise) and copper from there, into your home, it would be similar to ISDN and FiOS's voice quality?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:52:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Icon posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/683237" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=683237');">MrMoody</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/377086" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=377086');">orph4824</a>:</small><br><br>I wanna see them get rid of copper and go fiber to the pole(FTTP) then have copper drops from there, would all but eliminate noise and distance limits </div>There are no poles here.  :(<br>;)<br> </div>Then fiber to the ped.  :)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:21:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[MrMoody posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/377086" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=377086');">orph4824</a>:</small><br><br>I wanna see them get rid of copper and go fiber to the pole(FTTP) then have copper drops from there, would all but eliminate noise and distance limits </div>There are no poles here.  :(<br>;)<br><small>--<br>"It is a future in which globalization really does work ... and everybody winds up getting to be part of the third world." - William Gibson</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:53:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[MrMoody posted : Based on my research into how this stuff works, here's my theory on the 10Mb requirements:<br><br>DSL standard: ADSL2PLUS (ADSL_G.dmt will not support it)<br>attenuation downstream: 33 db MAX for full 10Mb (which corresponds to ~6900 ft of clean line)<br>noise margin upstream: about 12 db MIN at 5Mb<br>noise margin downstream: about 19 db MIN at 5Mb<br><br>If you're right at the noise limit it may not (probably won't) be stable. More attenuation will cause it to sync at a lower rate, but should still work up to a point. 38 dB (~7850 ft) should yield 8 Mb net, above that they probably won't give it to you. This jibes with the tech saying 8000 ft.<br><br>Note this is basically educated guessing, time will tell. Seeing before/after noise numbers would allow a lot better minimum noise estimate. If anyone meets all of the above but can't get 10Mb (or it won't run stably), speak up.<br><small>--<br>"It is a future in which globalization really does work ... and everybody winds up getting to be part of the third world." - William Gibson</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:36:48 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[orph4824 posted : just makes more sense to stop at the pole and use copper drops, FTTH given equipment, safety, and meeting local electrical code over various areas would be the problem. <br>For ISDN the POTS side is of course analog after it leaves the modem its all digital 64kb to the CO. FIOS is the same your phones are analog to the FIOS equipment then from there all digital. You wouldn't be able to tell the diffrence from ISDN to FIOS. I had ISDN back when it was the only "broadband" available and the thing I enjoyed the most was the call quality crystal clear unless the other end had noise, you call most businesses or 800 numbers and it was CD quality clean.<br><small>--<br><i>Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens  2. Stuff happens on a regular basis  3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)</i></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:50:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Fox McCloud posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/377086" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=377086');">orph4824</a>:</small><br><br>I wanna see them get rid of copper and go fiber to the pole(FTTP) then have copper drops from there, would all but eliminate noise and distance limits not to mention a substantial maintaince reduction, coppy degrades over time and has to be patched/replaced, all they have to maintain would be the copper from the pole to your home.<br> </div>why not just go with FTTH then? Would it really be that much more expensive?<br><br>Also, with Verizon's FiOS service your phone travels over copper (in your home) until it reaches the little box on the side of your house, correct? Would you happen to know if the voice quality of phone service is the same as POTS (relatively, that is, if it's *slighly* better, no biggie) or is it more on par with ISDN in terms of voice quality?<br><br>Still, I'd take FTTP too....it'd mean insanely fast speeds.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:36:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[orph4824 posted : I wanna see them get rid of copper and go fiber to the pole(FTTP) then have copper drops from there, would all but eliminate noise and distance limits not to mention a substantial maintaince reduction, copper degrades over time and has to be patched/replaced, all they have to maintain would be the copper from the pole to your home.<br><small>--<br><i>Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens  2. Stuff happens on a regular basis  3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)</i></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:33:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Fox McCloud posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1091674" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1091674');">DarnellP</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1376775" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1376775');">Fox McCloud</a>:</small><br><br>Say, what's your ping to www.google.com ?<br> </div>Sorry for the delay, Fox.<br><br>Ping has started ...<br><br>PING google.navigation.opendns.com (208.67.219.230): 56 data bytes<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=0 ttl=50 time=25.399 ms<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=26.249 ms<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=2 ttl=50 time=25.574 ms<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=3 ttl=50 time=23.697 ms<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=4 ttl=50 time=25.355 ms<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=5 ttl=50 time=23.217 ms<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=6 ttl=50 time=23.221 ms<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=7 ttl=50 time=23.637 ms<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=8 ttl=50 time=25.746 ms<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=9 ttl=50 time=23.572 ms<br><br>--- google.navigation.opendns.com ping statistics ---<br>10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss<br>round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 23.217/24.567/26.249/1.131 ms<br> </div>No problem, I just thought you didn't see my request....thanks for the results! That's really good latency.<br><br>also, Orph, I tend to agree with you...I just can't see Embarq supporting 10 meg out to 8000 feet...unless the lines are exceptionally good, or they install a repeater midway.<br><br>I'm just thankful that I'm slightly under 4,500' from a fiber fed RT....*crosses his finger* let's just hope they deploy a DSLAM next year. (I'm fairly certain my line is clean as I could routinely connect at 50.3k with my v.92 dial-up modem).]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:09:13 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[orph4824 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1091674" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1091674');">DarnellP</a>:</small><br><br>The tech that came out yesterday claimed that my distance was ~2000' and that Embarq would be offering 10 Meg out to ~8000'.  <br> </div>I hope for some this is true but I feel that ~5000-6000 excludeing line issues will be the stable max. Time will tell.<br><small>--<br><i>Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens  2. Stuff happens on a regular basis  3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)</i></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:42:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[DarnellP posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/683237" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=683237');">MrMoody</a>:</small><br><br>Thanks. I'd like know what Darnell's numbers were before the change, and his actual CO distance.<br><br> </div>I wish that I could accurately tell you, MrMoody.  Earlier this year during an online tech support session, a rep said that my distance was ~4000'.  The tech that came out yesterday claimed that my distance was ~2000' and that Embarq would be offering 10 Meg out to ~8000'.  ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:33:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[DarnellP posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1376775" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1376775');">Fox McCloud</a>:</small><br><br>Say, what's your ping to www.google.com ?<br> </div>Sorry for the delay, Fox.<br><br>Ping has started ...<br><br>PING google.navigation.opendns.com (208.67.219.230): 56 data bytes<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=0 ttl=50 time=25.399 ms<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=26.249 ms<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=2 ttl=50 time=25.574 ms<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=3 ttl=50 time=23.697 ms<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=4 ttl=50 time=25.355 ms<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=5 ttl=50 time=23.217 ms<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=6 ttl=50 time=23.221 ms<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=7 ttl=50 time=23.637 ms<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=8 ttl=50 time=25.746 ms<br>64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=9 ttl=50 time=23.572 ms<br><br>--- google.navigation.opendns.com ping statistics ---<br>10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss<br>round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 23.217/24.567/26.249/1.131 ms]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:29:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[MrMoody posted : Thanks. I'd like know what Darnell's numbers were before the change, and his actual CO distance.<br><br>That's just my luck I'm just barely too far.<br><small>--<br>"It is a future in which globalization really does work ... and everybody winds up getting to be part of the third world." - William Gibson</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:30:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[orph4824 posted : Correct the higher the sync causes more noise so 4500 is a STABLE number it could go as high as 4800 but i believe you would have sync issues going from my experience and conservatite estimates i play it safe with noise margins if its not atleast 12-14db for the given tier then i consider it unstable for every 3db of loss your useable signal is cut in half and at 6db noise is where the modems will lose sync, 12-14 gives you a safe stable margin cause line conditions do vary up and down.<br><small>--<br><i>Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens  2. Stuff happens on a regular basis  3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)</i></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:49:28 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[MrMoody posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/377086" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=377086');">orph4824</a>:</small><br><br>Nope your numbers won't support 10m if you tried your upstream (you to the CO/RT) it would never hear you rough cut 13/2=6.5 noisemargin just .5 above failure, you might get sync but you could never reliably maintain it. Going by Darrnells stats I'd say hes about 4200 ft from his CO/RT.<br></div>OK, explain this. Why cut in half? The upstream band is the same size for both services. Does the 10Mb downstream signal using higher frequencies increase the upstream noise at the low upstream frequencies? And if so I would think it would be by a constant number of dBs. It was running at 10dB before I put in a whole house splitter and CAT5e. The house wiring was straight 4 conductor, no twist at all.<br><br>I believe you, but I like to know how this works. From what you're saying the cutoff will be about 4500 ft of clean line.<br><small>--<br>"It is a future in which globalization really does work ... and everybody winds up getting to be part of the third world." - William Gibson</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:44:10 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[orph4824 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/683237" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=683237');">MrMoody</a>:</small><br><br>I'm at 4950 ft and my noise numbers are better than Darnell's, but I bet I still won't be able to get it.<br><br>EMBARQ> wan adsl linedata near<br><br>noise margin downstream: 28 db<br>output power upstream: 12 db<br>attenuation downstream: 24 db<br>carrier load: number of bits per symbol(tone)<br>tone   0- 31: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone  32- 63: 00 00 00 00 00 12 22 34 45 56 66 77 77 77 88 88<br>tone  64- 95: 78 88 88 88 88 88 87 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77<br>tone  96-127: 77 77 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 65 55 55 55 55 55<br>tone 128-159: 54 44 44 44 44 45 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55<br>tone 160-191: 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 50 55 55 25 55<br>tone 192-223: 55 55 55 55 54 44 44 44 44 43 33 33 22 22 22 22<br>tone 224-255: 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 20 22 22 20 00 02<br>tone 256-287: 03 34 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 55 45 55 55 55 55 54<br>tone 288-319: 44 44 44 22 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 40 43<br>tone 320-351: 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 04 44 44 44 44<br>tone 352-383: 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 32 33 33 33 33 33 33 33<br>tone 384-415: 33 33 33 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22<br>tone 416-447: 22 22 22 22 20 22 22 22 22 22 02 22 22 22 22 22<br>tone 448-479: 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 21 11 11 11<br>tone 480-511: 11 11 11 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br><br>EMBARQ> wan adsl linedata far<br><br><u>noise margin upstream: 13 db</u><br>output power downstream: 20 db<br>attenuation upstream: 8 db<br>carrier load: number of bits per symbol(tone)<br>tone   0- 31: 00 00 00 06 78 99 aa bb bb bb bb cb bb ba a8 76<br>tone  32- 63: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone  64- 95: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone  96-127: 00 00 00 00 00 70 88 50 6f 5d 31 fd 1f 20 da eb<br>tone 128-159: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 160-191: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 192-223: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 224-255: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 256-287: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 288-319: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 320-351: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 352-383: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 384-415: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 416-447: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 448-479: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 480-511: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br> </div>Nope your numbers won't support 10m if you tried your upstream (you to the CO/RT) it would never hear you rough cut 13/2=6.5 noisemargin just .5 above failure, you might get sync but you could never reliably maintain it. Going by Darrnells stats I'd say hes about 4200 ft from his CO/RT.<br><small>--<br><i>Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens  2. Stuff happens on a regular basis  3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[MrMoody posted : I'm at 4950 ft and my noise numbers are better than Darnell's, but I bet I still won't be able to get it.<br><br>EMBARQ> wan adsl linedata near<br><br>noise margin downstream: 28 db<br>output power upstream: 12 db<br>attenuation downstream: 24 db<br>carrier load: number of bits per symbol(tone)<br>tone   0- 31: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone  32- 63: 00 00 00 00 00 12 22 34 45 56 66 77 77 77 88 88<br>tone  64- 95: 78 88 88 88 88 88 87 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77<br>tone  96-127: 77 77 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 65 55 55 55 55 55<br>tone 128-159: 54 44 44 44 44 45 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55<br>tone 160-191: 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 50 55 55 25 55<br>tone 192-223: 55 55 55 55 54 44 44 44 44 43 33 33 22 22 22 22<br>tone 224-255: 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 20 22 22 20 00 02<br>tone 256-287: 03 34 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 55 45 55 55 55 55 54<br>tone 288-319: 44 44 44 22 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 40 43<br>tone 320-351: 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 04 44 44 44 44<br>tone 352-383: 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 32 33 33 33 33 33 33 33<br>tone 384-415: 33 33 33 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22<br>tone 416-447: 22 22 22 22 20 22 22 22 22 22 02 22 22 22 22 22<br>tone 448-479: 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 21 11 11 11<br>tone 480-511: 11 11 11 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br><br>EMBARQ> wan adsl linedata far<br><br>noise margin upstream: 13 db<br>output power downstream: 20 db<br>attenuation upstream: 8 db<br>carrier load: number of bits per symbol(tone)<br>tone   0- 31: 00 00 00 06 78 99 aa bb bb bb bb cb bb ba a8 76<br>tone  32- 63: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone  64- 95: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone  96-127: 00 00 00 00 00 70 88 50 6f 5d 31 fd 1f 20 da eb<br>tone 128-159: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 160-191: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 192-223: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 224-255: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 256-287: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 288-319: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 320-351: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 352-383: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 384-415: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 416-447: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 448-479: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br>tone 480-511: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00<br><small>--<br>"It is a future in which globalization really does work ... and everybody winds up getting to be part of the third world." - William Gibson</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[orph4824 posted : 13594 is his sync rate remember the encapsulation overhead<br><br>ie 5mb equals a sync of 5888, thusly 13,594 is roughly 11,800 theroretical max so my 85% is based on that number not the 13,594 and after his initial tweaks... hes doing fine *insert jealous chagrins* :D<br><br>And according to his speed test ping results 14 on one and 41 on the other hes on fastpath, interleave give higher ping results but are steadier and more predicable unlike fasthpath will reach lower but *can* fluctuate greatly esp given the higher you go in speed increaseing entropy.<br><small>--<br><i>Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens  2. Stuff happens on a regular basis  3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)</i></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:20:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Fox McCloud posted : still with 85% of 13,594kbps, he could theoretically get 11,554kbps. As for your upload, you could theoretically (with the 85% figure) get 815kbps...which is about what you're getting, so I wouldn't really complain about that. Your download? *Shrug* I'd expect to get *slightly* over 10 meg with those numbers (and the overprovisioning), but I'd say if it stays around that 9.9 mark, you'll be doing marvelously.<br><br>Say, what's your ping to www.google.com ?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:03:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[DarnellP posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1376775" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1376775');">Fox McCloud</a>:</small><br><br>with that kind of sync rate, I would think that you could (if the backhaul can provide it) have a consistent 10 meg down and 900k up connection...maybe it's the time of day, or you need to tweak it some more? *Shrug*. What's your latency like? Either way, I can't wait to see results like that at my home (if ever).<br> </div>Haven't had much time, but I tweaked the tcp settings a little: <IMG SRC="http://www.speedtest.net/result/185856808.png"><br><br>Didn't do anything for the upload.  I'll be experimenting more in the next few days and at different times of the day.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:05:43 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[orph4824 posted : ok thanks for the stats just wanted to see what the noise margins would wind up at. By my math your upload and download are with in 85% of the max very nice.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:54:10 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Gandalf4503 posted : Well, I'm moving in a couple of weeks..so there's no point in trying to order it now. I'm not sure if I'll still have embarq or if I'll have cox after I move.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:25:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Fox McCloud posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1091674" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1091674');">DarnellP</a>:</small><br><br>Oh it's the same way.  Duh!  :D<br><br> <IMG SRC="http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/streetracer302/Picture7.png"> <br> </div>with that kind of sync rate, I would think that you could (if the backhaul can provide it) have a consistent 10 meg down and 900k up connection...maybe it's the time of day, or you need to tweak it some more? *Shrug*. What's your latency like? Either way, I can't wait to see results like that at my home (if ever).]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:14:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[DarnellP posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/165937" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=165937');">dave3720</a>:</small><br><br>I got the results of the escalation and all they would tell me is I don't qualify, wouldn't say why or give me any information, other than I couldn't get 10 meg. :( <br> </div>FWIW, the tech that came to my house today claimed that Embarq is working to deploy more remotes throughout the valley so that the 10 Meg can be offered to a lot more of the user base here in Vegas.  I know that doesn't help now, but hopefully you'll be able to get it in the near future.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:01:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[sashwa posted : Well that's a bummer.  I've had this happen to me with Earthlink DSL when they added the 3.0 speeds years ago.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:49:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[dave3720 posted : I got the results of the escalation and all they would tell me is I don't qualify, wouldn't say why or give me any information, other than I couldn't get 10 meg. :( ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:42:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[DarnellP posted : Oh it's the same way.  Duh!  :D<br><br> <IMG SRC="http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/streetracer302/Picture7.png"> ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:28:00 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[orph4824 posted : telnet 192.168.2.1 default password is 1234<br>menu, 24, 8<br>wan adsl chandata<br>wan adsl linedata far<br>wan adsl linedata near<br><br>cut and paste :D]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:06:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[DarnellP posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/377086" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=377086');">orph4824</a>:</small><br><br>*Smacks forehead* no not a v8 momment :D nice speed if you would mind post your line stats for that speed just curious and do you know how far you are from your CO/RT?<br> </div>The tech replaced my old modem with a new 660R modem.  How would I go about getting the info you want with this one?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:46:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[DarnellP posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1376775" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1376775');">Fox McCloud</a>:</small><br><br> That's really nice speed; wish I could get that. Consider doing a test at www.speedtest.net ?<br> </div><IMG SRC="http://www.speedtest.net/result/185818772.png">]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:44:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[orph4824 posted : *Smacks forehead* no not a v8 momment :D nice speed if you would mind post your line stats for that speed just curious and do you know how far you are from your CO/RT?<br><small>--<br><i>Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens  2. Stuff happens on a regular basis  3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)</i></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:37:59 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Fox McCloud posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1274664" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1274664');">robertfl</a>:</small><br><br>They should offer it at a lower rate. Cable still has the better deal compared to them <br><br>and yes, I've been using different DNS servers <br><br>It's still amazing how Embarq is surviving out here in FWB. <br><br>I wish this area would get bought out by Verizon (or VZ would buy out Embarq) so that more of us can get FIOS.<br><br>-Rob<br> </div>Not a good thing; the fastest service they currently offer is 3 meg down...and they show no indication of wanting to go over this. Yeah, 3 meg for $30 is not a bad deal...but it's only 3 meg. Not to mention, Verizon seems to be ignoring their copper, for the most part, in favor of deploying fiber to the BIG cities. Yes, Embarq has some issues, and they need to upgrade their backhaul to support their customers, but at least they plan on having 100% coverage by the end of 2009, and at least they offer higher speeds than Verizon....the only 2 things they need to really work on is their backhaul and offering naked DSL....I suspect the former will come first, but only time will tell.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1091674" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1091674');">DarnellP</a>:</small><br><br>Before doing any tweaking yet:<br><br><A HREF="http://speedtest.dslreports.com"><IMG SRC="http://www.dslreports.com/im/37061909/81889.png" border=0></a><br> </div>That's really nice speed; wish I could get that. Consider doing a test at www.speedtest.net ?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:36:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[DarnellP posted : Before doing any tweaking yet:<br><br><A HREF="http://speedtest.dslreports.com"><IMG SRC="http://www.dslreports.com/im/37061909/81889.png" border=0></a>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:00:43 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[robertfl posted : They should offer it at a lower rate. Cable still has the better deal compared to them <br><br>and yes, I've been using different DNS servers <br><br>It's still amazing how Embarq is surviving out here in FWB. <br><br>I wish this area would get bought out by Verizon (or VZ would buy out Embarq) so that more of us can get FIOS.<br><br>-Rob]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:51:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[MrMoody posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/650717" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=650717');">Gandalf4503</a>:</small><br><br>I don't have an MEDR of 8410, so I think it would be a waste of time for me to even call. </div>It never hurts to ask ...<br><small>--<br>"It is a future in which globalization really does work ... and everybody winds up getting to be part of the third world." - William Gibson</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:44:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : I called yesterday 09/17/07 to cancel my unlimited long distance and the CSR tried to sell me the 5 down. I asked her why I should get the 5 when I don't even get the promise 3. She didn't have a answer. My point is she didn't even mention 10. I recently changed from 14 years with the cable company. My most recent down speed was 6 with the cable and I always got 6.5 down. Beginning to think I made a mistake.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:19:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[sashwa posted : Let us know when you find out, if you don't mind. :)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:43:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Dezbend posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/141383" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=141383');">Karl Bode</a>:</small><br><br>So can anyone confirm the 10Mbps launched in Vegas today?<br> </div>yes, I don't know how many customers can get it, but the product did launch today (well yesterday sept 17th)<br><small>--<br>If it is not recorded, it simply does not exist.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:37:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[dave3720 posted : They didn't know why, so I asked for an escalation, but that  will take a couple of days. :p  ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:19:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[sashwa posted : Did they tell you why not?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dave3720 posted : I called they said I couldn't get it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Gandalf4503 posted : I don't have an MEDR of 8410, so I think it would be a waste of time for me to even call. From what I've seen, nobody here has one. It seems like they'll be trialing it in a very small region and the rest of us probably won't be able to get it for a long time.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Karl Bode posted : So can anyone confirm the 10Mbps launched in Vegas today?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:22:54 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[DarnellP posted : As far as I know you can't order via the website, Gandalf.  You've gotta call in.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Gandalf4503 posted : So, it's 9/17. Anyone been able to order it? It says I have the fastest speed available on the embarq website still, so I guess I really can't get it >]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[emig5m posted : Lemme see if I'm understanding this correctly, people whose dsl is coming from a remote and not directly from the CO won't be able to get the 10mb upgrade unless their remote is fiber fed then theirs a chance (but at this time not 100% certain) they might be able to get 10mb if their line distance is short and noise levels are low?<br><br>Someone correct me if I'm wrong because I'm highly interested in the 10mb upgrades (depending on the cost of it). My dsl comes out of a remote that IS fiber fed - do I have a chance of 10mb in the near future?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[fivepairpath posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1037279" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1037279');">random_guy</a>:</small><br><br>It's been confirmed. Internal email says it'll be available in Vegas only effective 9/17/07. 10.0/896k. I don't have pricing info, though. Also, you have to have a qualifying MEDR of 8410.<br> </div>hah in some cases.. the worst part about that.. if your fttc and only on a fidl a. your only gonna get 1.5 at the highest. thanks to the lovely engineers. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 06:07:13 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: more 10 Meg rumors</title>
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<description><![CDATA[Fox McCloud posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/377086" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=377086');">orph4824</a>:</small><br><br>No experience with VDSL so no clue... Best guess without reguard to standard tiers on ADSL2+ would be 8500-9000 downstream and your upstream could easily do 1000. I believe these numbers would be the most stable at that distance, you may very well get 10m down but I'm playing it safe. :)<br> </div>Ok, thanks; I guess I'll just have to "wait it out" and see what happens if/when a DSLAM is deployed at my fiber-fed RT.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:34:02 EDT</pubDate>
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