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Re: Stupid TiVo said by swintec:Why do I get the feeling once SDV starts to get more and more popular, the TiVo folks will try to get the government on board to stop it..because there service no longer works. doesn't satellite employ a SDV service? Dish Network's DVR service works marvelously using this technique; why can't TiVo just adapt and use this kind of system?
anyway, personally, I'm glad this SDV is coming first to Cox....because, well, if DOCSIS 3.0 came out first, it'd be a long while before they'd implement SDV....
So either way, once Cox switches over to DOCSIS 3.0+SDV, I'm sure they'll have the capability to allow very high download speeds for customers...and allow them to deploy quite a bit of HD channels. |
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doesn't satellite employ a SDV service? Dish Network's DVR service works marvelously using this technique; why can't TiVo just adapt and use this kind of system? Because TiVo relies on the CableCARD offered by cable cos. CableCARD barely worked today. TiVo has a valid concern that current CableCARD will not work with SDV and cable cos can care less to make it work or not. |
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| said by Foxbat121:said by Fox McCloud :
doesn't satellite employ a SDV service? Dish Network's DVR service works marvelously using this technique; why can't TiVo just adapt and use this kind of system? Because TiVo relies on the CableCARD offered by cable cos. CableCARD barely worked today. TiVo has a valid concern that current CableCARD will not work with SDV and cable cos can care less to make it work or not. Why should the Cable COmpanies care? I'd rather have them investing my subscriber dollars in this new technology and getting it deployed rather than try and help TiVO work.
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| Well , lets see , because paying customers demand it ? Oh no wait sorry they don't care about paying customers as long we keep shelling out cash for their mistakes.
Cablecard was designed by cable labs a lab that basically works for all the cable co's. They made it a POS on purpose and now they want to abandon it because they don't want no one else taking a part of their pie.
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| said by BosstonesOwn:Well , lets see , because paying customers demand it ? Oh no wait sorry they don't care about paying customers as long we keep shelling out cash for their mistakes. Cablecard was designed by cable labs a lab that basically works for all the cable co's. They made it a POS on purpose and now they want to abandon it because they don't want no one else taking a part of their pie. Paying customers of who? Oh yea, TiVo. TiVo's problem. Also, have you seen the numbers on CableCard usage? A measely 100,000 or so. Hardly a blip on the radar, and surely not even remotely close enough to stop the roll out of new and exciting technology.
Cable Labs "basically" works for the cable companies? I believe they are an independent entity.
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"doesn't satellite employ a SDV service?"
No. Sat's broadcast everything they can... they have many "birds" in orbit, and newer/better ones to accomadate more channels.
Also, I do wonder what happens when it's "full" anyway. Would that not defeat the purpose???
Whatever. Leave my analog alone for awhile. It works, and it's been working for YEARS now.
Long as they keep sending analog to my house, I don't care what they do w/the rest of their TV bandwidth. It'll probably turn out to be a huge mess no matter what they do.
Sure, more HD will probably be nice, but there are still MANY people who don't have an HD set - and even those who do who would still like for their older sets to keep working. |
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said by swintec:Paying customers of who? Oh yea, TiVo. TiVo's problem. Also, have you seen the numbers on CableCard usage? A measely 100,000 or so. Hardly a blip on the radar, and surely not even remotely close enough to stop the roll out of new and exciting technology. That is because the cable companies try to get people not to use them. Cablecards make less money than converter boxes.
said by swintec:Cable Labs "basically" works for the cable companies? I believe they are an independent entity. From Cablelabs own site:
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CableLabs' members are exclusively cable system operators. They do not include competitive network platforms such as direct broadcast satellite (DBS), telephone companies delivering video services, electrical utilities delivering broadband services, multi-channel multipoint distribution systems (MMDS) or the like. Nor do they include manufacturers or content providers (such as cable programmers, broadcasters or movie studios). Our members are located in the United States, Canada, Mexico, South America, Europe and Asia.
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I stand corrected on the CableLabs statement. The way I read things in the past was that cable companies settled on the CableLabs standards...not that they WERE the CableCard standards. 
Cable companies try to get people not to use them? Id say the cable card themselves get people not to use them. Also, there is very "few" cable card ready TV sets out there. Most people arent foolish enough to shell out the kind of money on he newer TiVos either. If TV manufacturers output a lot more cable card ready sets, you can bet usage would increase.
Also, why should the cable companies put this new technology in the backseat because of TiVO and cable card devices? Arent they a legit business, out to make money, keep the MAJORITY of customers content with there service offering? Are you mistaking a cable company with UNICEF possibly? 
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| said by swintec:Cable companies try to get people not to use them? Id say the cable card themselves get people not to use them. Also, there is very "few" cable card ready TV sets out there. Most people arent foolish enough to shell out the kind of money on he newer TiVos either. If TV manufacturers output a lot more cable card ready sets, you can bet usage would increase. Actually, many of the larger sets use Cablecards. Both my 62" DLP and 37" LCD have Cablecards slots.
said by swintec:Also, why should the cable companies put this new technology in the backseat because of TiVO and cable card devices? Arent they a legit business, out to make money, keep the MAJORITY of customers content with there service offering? Are you mistaking a cable company with UNICEF possibly? Because there is a law mandating them:
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The portion of the 1996 Telecom law which resulted in the creation of CableCARDs is known as Section 629, instructing the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to:
"...assure the commercial availability to consumers of multichannel video programming and other services offered over multichannel video programming systems, of converter boxes, interactive communications equipment, and other equipment used by consumers to access multichannel video programming and other services offered over multichannel video programming systems, from manufacturers, retailers, and other vendors not affiliated with any multichannel video programming distributor."
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doesn't satellite employ a SDV service? Dish Network's DVR service works marvelously using this technique; why can't TiVo just adapt and use this kind of system?
Not only do they not, but they can't because satellite television services tend to be unidirectional. The satellite receiver has no way to tell the broadcast station what to switch in.
Even if it were a two way network, the technology doesn't make sense for satellite anyway. SDV works because a relatively low number of users per node are likely to be watching the more obscure HD channels at a given time. |
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said by Fox McCloud:doesn't satellite employ a SDV service? Dish Network's DVR service works marvelously using this technique; why can't TiVo just adapt and use this kind of system?
No, satellite is always on. Cable companies can already provide many more HD channels than they do. Also, TiVo literally can't do anything about SDV right now because the fucking cable companies won't agree to a standard that CE devices can use for upstream communication. It's infuriating. What's more, the Cable Labs license that one must agree to to build a box that uses CableCARDs doesn't allow OCAP boxes with third party UIs. So TiVo is essentially fucked if they want to provide a box with their UI and SDV support. So they're somewhat technically within the letter of the law requiring separable security, but they're stifling the market for portable boxes with their administrative restrictions. SDV is merely another of those attempts to stifle the market for third party boxes. In most markets, (Cox, at least) doesn't need SDV. They have 900MHz cable plant and are upgrading beyond that as we speak. They have plenty of QAMs sitting there idle. They have the bandwidth to add at least 20 HD channels tomorrow in my market. The rebuild to support higher frequencies doesn't take all that long, either. |
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