Re: more 10 Meg rumors in Embarq

Re: more 10 Meg rumors in Embarq http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18930945 en Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:24:48 EDT Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:24:48 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19213496 Fox McCloud :

said by robertfl

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BTW, Fox, nice to see another Ron Paul supporter. I hope he wins.

-Rob

It's also nice to meet a fellow Ron Paul supporter; I, too, hope he wins. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19213496 Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:22:35 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19210799 robertfl : Embarq does offer cheap service.
But until we can get 5.0 service or the 10.0 service..

(Not only that, they peer from atlanta to orlando... or has that changed?)

BTW, Fox, nice to see another Ron Paul supporter. I hope he wins.

-Rob]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19210799 Sun, 07 Oct 2007 04:19:12 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19115193 Fox McCloud :

said by Icon

said by MrMoody

said by orph4824

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I wanna see them get rid of copper and go fiber to the pole(FTTP) then have copper drops from there, would all but eliminate noise and distance limits

There are no poles here. :(
;)

Then fiber to the ped. :)

and neither pole nor ped. here ;)

For me it would be more "fiber to the premise".

Ahh, thanks again, orph. So, I take it with FTTP (pole/ped./premise) and copper from there, into your home, it would be similar to ISDN and FiOS's voice quality?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19115193 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:52:45 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19114079 Icon :

said by MrMoody

said by orph4824

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I wanna see them get rid of copper and go fiber to the pole(FTTP) then have copper drops from there, would all but eliminate noise and distance limits

There are no poles here. :(
;)

Then fiber to the ped. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19114079 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:21:18 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19113933 MrMoody :

said by orph4824

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I wanna see them get rid of copper and go fiber to the pole(FTTP) then have copper drops from there, would all but eliminate noise and distance limits

There are no poles here. :(
;)
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"It is a future in which globalization really does work ... and everybody winds up getting to be part of the third world." - William Gibson]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19113933 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:53:20 EDT My theory on qualifications http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19113817 MrMoody : Based on my research into how this stuff works, here's my theory on the 10Mb requirements:

DSL standard: ADSL2PLUS (ADSL_G.dmt will not support it)
attenuation downstream: 33 db MAX for full 10Mb (which corresponds to ~6900 ft of clean line)
noise margin upstream: about 12 db MIN at 5Mb
noise margin downstream: about 19 db MIN at 5Mb

If you're right at the noise limit it may not (probably won't) be stable. More attenuation will cause it to sync at a lower rate, but should still work up to a point. 38 dB (~7850 ft) should yield 8 Mb net, above that they probably won't give it to you. This jibes with the tech saying 8000 ft.

Note this is basically educated guessing, time will tell. Seeing before/after noise numbers would allow a lot better minimum noise estimate. If anyone meets all of the above but can't get 10Mb (or it won't run stably), speak up.
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"It is a future in which globalization really does work ... and everybody winds up getting to be part of the third world." - William Gibson]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19113817 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:36:48 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19113175 orph4824 : just makes more sense to stop at the pole and use copper drops, FTTH given equipment, safety, and meeting local electrical code over various areas would be the problem.
For ISDN the POTS side is of course analog after it leaves the modem its all digital 64kb to the CO. FIOS is the same your phones are analog to the FIOS equipment then from there all digital. You wouldn't be able to tell the diffrence from ISDN to FIOS. I had ISDN back when it was the only "broadband" available and the thing I enjoyed the most was the call quality crystal clear unless the other end had noise, you call most businesses or 800 numbers and it was CD quality clean.
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Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens 2. Stuff happens on a regular basis 3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19113175 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:50:51 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19113090 Fox McCloud :

said by orph4824

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I wanna see them get rid of copper and go fiber to the pole(FTTP) then have copper drops from there, would all but eliminate noise and distance limits not to mention a substantial maintaince reduction, coppy degrades over time and has to be patched/replaced, all they have to maintain would be the copper from the pole to your home.

why not just go with FTTH then? Would it really be that much more expensive?

Also, with Verizon's FiOS service your phone travels over copper (in your home) until it reaches the little box on the side of your house, correct? Would you happen to know if the voice quality of phone service is the same as POTS (relatively, that is, if it's *slighly* better, no biggie) or is it more on par with ISDN in terms of voice quality?

Still, I'd take FTTP too....it'd mean insanely fast speeds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19113090 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:36:44 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19113070 orph4824 : I wanna see them get rid of copper and go fiber to the pole(FTTP) then have copper drops from there, would all but eliminate noise and distance limits not to mention a substantial maintaince reduction, copper degrades over time and has to be patched/replaced, all they have to maintain would be the copper from the pole to your home.
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Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens 2. Stuff happens on a regular basis 3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19113070 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:33:49 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19112919 Fox McCloud :

said by DarnellP

said by Fox McCloud

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Say, what's your ping to www.google.com ?

No problem, I just thought you didn't see my request....thanks for the results! That's really good latency.

also, Orph, I tend to agree with you...I just can't see Embarq supporting 10 meg out to 8000 feet...unless the lines are exceptionally good, or they install a repeater midway.

I'm just thankful that I'm slightly under 4,500' from a fiber fed RT....*crosses his finger* let's just hope they deploy a DSLAM next year. (I'm fairly certain my line is clean as I could routinely connect at 50.3k with my v.92 dial-up modem).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19112919 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:09:13 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19112357 orph4824 :

said by DarnellP

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The tech that came out yesterday claimed that my distance was ~2000' and that Embarq would be offering 10 Meg out to ~8000'.

I hope for some this is true but I feel that ~5000-6000 excludeing line issues will be the stable max. Time will tell.
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Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens 2. Stuff happens on a regular basis 3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19112357 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:42:07 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19112298 DarnellP :

said by MrMoody

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Thanks. I'd like know what Darnell's numbers were before the change, and his actual CO distance.

I wish that I could accurately tell you, MrMoody. Earlier this year during an online tech support session, a rep said that my distance was ~4000'. The tech that came out yesterday claimed that my distance was ~2000' and that Embarq would be offering 10 Meg out to ~8000'. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19112298 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:33:42 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19112276 DarnellP :

said by Fox McCloud

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Say, what's your ping to www.google.com ?

Sorry for the delay, Fox.

Ping has started ...

PING google.navigation.opendns.com (208.67.219.230): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=0 ttl=50 time=25.399 ms
64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=26.249 ms
64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=2 ttl=50 time=25.574 ms
64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=3 ttl=50 time=23.697 ms
64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=4 ttl=50 time=25.355 ms
64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=5 ttl=50 time=23.217 ms
64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=6 ttl=50 time=23.221 ms
64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=7 ttl=50 time=23.637 ms
64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=8 ttl=50 time=25.746 ms
64 bytes from 208.67.219.230: icmp_seq=9 ttl=50 time=23.572 ms

--- google.navigation.opendns.com ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 23.217/24.567/26.249/1.131 ms]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19112276 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:29:38 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19110776 MrMoody : Thanks. I'd like know what Darnell's numbers were before the change, and his actual CO distance.

That's just my luck I'm just barely too far.
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"It is a future in which globalization really does work ... and everybody winds up getting to be part of the third world." - William Gibson]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19110776 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:30:47 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19110200 orph4824 : Correct the higher the sync causes more noise so 4500 is a STABLE number it could go as high as 4800 but i believe you would have sync issues going from my experience and conservatite estimates i play it safe with noise margins if its not atleast 12-14db for the given tier then i consider it unstable for every 3db of loss your useable signal is cut in half and at 6db noise is where the modems will lose sync, 12-14 gives you a safe stable margin cause line conditions do vary up and down.
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Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens 2. Stuff happens on a regular basis 3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19110200 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:49:28 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19109880 MrMoody :

said by orph4824

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Nope your numbers won't support 10m if you tried your upstream (you to the CO/RT) it would never hear you rough cut 13/2=6.5 noisemargin just .5 above failure, you might get sync but you could never reliably maintain it. Going by Darrnells stats I'd say hes about 4200 ft from his CO/RT.

OK, explain this. Why cut in half? The upstream band is the same size for both services. Does the 10Mb downstream signal using higher frequencies increase the upstream noise at the low upstream frequencies? And if so I would think it would be by a constant number of dBs. It was running at 10dB before I put in a whole house splitter and CAT5e. The house wiring was straight 4 conductor, no twist at all.

I believe you, but I like to know how this works. From what you're saying the cutoff will be about 4500 ft of clean line.
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"It is a future in which globalization really does work ... and everybody winds up getting to be part of the third world." - William Gibson]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19109880 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:44:10 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19108122 orph4824 :

said by MrMoody

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I'm at 4950 ft and my noise numbers are better than Darnell's, but I bet I still won't be able to get it.

EMBARQ> wan adsl linedata near

noise margin downstream: 28 db
output power upstream: 12 db
attenuation downstream: 24 db
carrier load: number of bits per symbol(tone)
tone 0- 31: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 32- 63: 00 00 00 00 00 12 22 34 45 56 66 77 77 77 88 88
tone 64- 95: 78 88 88 88 88 88 87 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77
tone 96-127: 77 77 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 65 55 55 55 55 55
tone 128-159: 54 44 44 44 44 45 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55
tone 160-191: 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 50 55 55 25 55
tone 192-223: 55 55 55 55 54 44 44 44 44 43 33 33 22 22 22 22
tone 224-255: 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 20 22 22 20 00 02
tone 256-287: 03 34 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 55 45 55 55 55 55 54
tone 288-319: 44 44 44 22 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 40 43
tone 320-351: 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 04 44 44 44 44
tone 352-383: 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 32 33 33 33 33 33 33 33
tone 384-415: 33 33 33 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22
tone 416-447: 22 22 22 22 20 22 22 22 22 22 02 22 22 22 22 22
tone 448-479: 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 21 11 11 11
tone 480-511: 11 11 11 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

EMBARQ> wan adsl linedata far

noise margin upstream: 13 db
output power downstream: 20 db
attenuation upstream: 8 db
carrier load: number of bits per symbol(tone)
tone 0- 31: 00 00 00 06 78 99 aa bb bb bb bb cb bb ba a8 76
tone 32- 63: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 64- 95: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 96-127: 00 00 00 00 00 70 88 50 6f 5d 31 fd 1f 20 da eb
tone 128-159: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 160-191: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 192-223: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 224-255: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 256-287: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 288-319: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 320-351: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 352-383: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 384-415: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 416-447: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 448-479: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 480-511: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

Nope your numbers won't support 10m if you tried your upstream (you to the CO/RT) it would never hear you rough cut 13/2=6.5 noisemargin just .5 above failure, you might get sync but you could never reliably maintain it. Going by Darrnells stats I'd say hes about 4200 ft from his CO/RT.
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Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens 2. Stuff happens on a regular basis 3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19108122 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:41:12 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19107843 MrMoody : I'm at 4950 ft and my noise numbers are better than Darnell's, but I bet I still won't be able to get it.

EMBARQ> wan adsl linedata near

noise margin downstream: 28 db
output power upstream: 12 db
attenuation downstream: 24 db
carrier load: number of bits per symbol(tone)
tone 0- 31: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 32- 63: 00 00 00 00 00 12 22 34 45 56 66 77 77 77 88 88
tone 64- 95: 78 88 88 88 88 88 87 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77
tone 96-127: 77 77 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 65 55 55 55 55 55
tone 128-159: 54 44 44 44 44 45 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55
tone 160-191: 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 50 55 55 25 55
tone 192-223: 55 55 55 55 54 44 44 44 44 43 33 33 22 22 22 22
tone 224-255: 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 20 22 22 20 00 02
tone 256-287: 03 34 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 55 45 55 55 55 55 54
tone 288-319: 44 44 44 22 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 40 43
tone 320-351: 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 04 44 44 44 44
tone 352-383: 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 32 33 33 33 33 33 33 33
tone 384-415: 33 33 33 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22
tone 416-447: 22 22 22 22 20 22 22 22 22 22 02 22 22 22 22 22
tone 448-479: 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 21 11 11 11
tone 480-511: 11 11 11 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

EMBARQ> wan adsl linedata far

noise margin upstream: 13 db
output power downstream: 20 db
attenuation upstream: 8 db
carrier load: number of bits per symbol(tone)
tone 0- 31: 00 00 00 06 78 99 aa bb bb bb bb cb bb ba a8 76
tone 32- 63: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 64- 95: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 96-127: 00 00 00 00 00 70 88 50 6f 5d 31 fd 1f 20 da eb
tone 128-159: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 160-191: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 192-223: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 224-255: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 256-287: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 288-319: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 320-351: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 352-383: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 384-415: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 416-447: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 448-479: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 480-511: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
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"It is a future in which globalization really does work ... and everybody winds up getting to be part of the third world." - William Gibson]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19107843 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:48:25 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19107700 orph4824 : 13594 is his sync rate remember the encapsulation overhead

ie 5mb equals a sync of 5888, thusly 13,594 is roughly 11,800 theroretical max so my 85% is based on that number not the 13,594 and after his initial tweaks... hes doing fine *insert jealous chagrins* :D

And according to his speed test ping results 14 on one and 41 on the other hes on fastpath, interleave give higher ping results but are steadier and more predicable unlike fasthpath will reach lower but *can* fluctuate greatly esp given the higher you go in speed increaseing entropy.
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Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens 2. Stuff happens on a regular basis 3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19107700 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:20:52 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19107608 Fox McCloud : still with 85% of 13,594kbps, he could theoretically get 11,554kbps. As for your upload, you could theoretically (with the 85% figure) get 815kbps...which is about what you're getting, so I wouldn't really complain about that. Your download? *Shrug* I'd expect to get *slightly* over 10 meg with those numbers (and the overprovisioning), but I'd say if it stays around that 9.9 mark, you'll be doing marvelously.

Say, what's your ping to www.google.com ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19107608 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:03:40 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19107255 DarnellP :

said by Fox McCloud

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with that kind of sync rate, I would think that you could (if the backhaul can provide it) have a consistent 10 meg down and 900k up connection...maybe it's the time of day, or you need to tweak it some more? *Shrug*. What's your latency like? Either way, I can't wait to see results like that at my home (if ever).

Haven't had much time, but I tweaked the tcp settings a little:

Didn't do anything for the upload. I'll be experimenting more in the next few days and at different times of the day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19107255 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:05:43 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19107192 orph4824 : ok thanks for the stats just wanted to see what the noise margins would wind up at. By my math your upload and download are with in 85% of the max very nice.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19107192 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:54:10 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19107001 Gandalf4503 : Well, I'm moving in a couple of weeks..so there's no point in trying to order it now. I'm not sure if I'll still have embarq or if I'll have cox after I move.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19107001 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:25:42 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106927 Fox McCloud :

said by DarnellP

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Oh it's the same way. Duh! :D

with that kind of sync rate, I would think that you could (if the backhaul can provide it) have a consistent 10 meg down and 900k up connection...maybe it's the time of day, or you need to tweak it some more? *Shrug*. What's your latency like? Either way, I can't wait to see results like that at my home (if ever).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106927 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:14:24 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106819 DarnellP :

said by dave3720

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I got the results of the escalation and all they would tell me is I don't qualify, wouldn't say why or give me any information, other than I couldn't get 10 meg. :(

FWIW, the tech that came to my house today claimed that Embarq is working to deploy more remotes throughout the valley so that the 10 Meg can be offered to a lot more of the user base here in Vegas. I know that doesn't help now, but hopefully you'll be able to get it in the near future.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106819 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:01:22 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106750 sashwa : Well that's a bummer. I've had this happen to me with Earthlink DSL when they added the 3.0 speeds years ago.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106750 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:49:29 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106701 dave3720 : I got the results of the escalation and all they would tell me is I don't qualify, wouldn't say why or give me any information, other than I couldn't get 10 meg. :( ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106701 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:42:30 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106612 DarnellP : Oh it's the same way. Duh! :D

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106612 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:28:00 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106449 orph4824 : telnet 192.168.2.1 default password is 1234
menu, 24, 8
wan adsl chandata
wan adsl linedata far
wan adsl linedata near

cut and paste :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106449 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:06:32 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106300 DarnellP :

said by orph4824

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*Smacks forehead* no not a v8 momment :D nice speed if you would mind post your line stats for that speed just curious and do you know how far you are from your CO/RT?

The tech replaced my old modem with a new 660R modem. How would I go about getting the info you want with this one?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106300 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:46:31 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106287 DarnellP :

said by Fox McCloud

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That's really nice speed; wish I could get that. Consider doing a test at www.speedtest.net ?

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106287 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:44:36 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106226 orph4824 : *Smacks forehead* no not a v8 momment :D nice speed if you would mind post your line stats for that speed just curious and do you know how far you are from your CO/RT?
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Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens 2. Stuff happens on a regular basis 3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106226 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:37:59 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106210 Fox McCloud :

said by robertfl

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They should offer it at a lower rate. Cable still has the better deal compared to them

and yes, I've been using different DNS servers

It's still amazing how Embarq is surviving out here in FWB.

I wish this area would get bought out by Verizon (or VZ would buy out Embarq) so that more of us can get FIOS.

-Rob

Not a good thing; the fastest service they currently offer is 3 meg down...and they show no indication of wanting to go over this. Yeah, 3 meg for $30 is not a bad deal...but it's only 3 meg. Not to mention, Verizon seems to be ignoring their copper, for the most part, in favor of deploying fiber to the BIG cities. Yes, Embarq has some issues, and they need to upgrade their backhaul to support their customers, but at least they plan on having 100% coverage by the end of 2009, and at least they offer higher speeds than Verizon....the only 2 things they need to really work on is their backhaul and offering naked DSL....I suspect the former will come first, but only time will tell.

said by DarnellP

:

Before doing any tweaking yet:

That's really nice speed; wish I could get that. Consider doing a test at www.speedtest.net ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106210 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:36:32 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19105963 DarnellP : Before doing any tweaking yet:

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19105963 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:00:43 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19103455 robertfl : They should offer it at a lower rate. Cable still has the better deal compared to them

and yes, I've been using different DNS servers

It's still amazing how Embarq is surviving out here in FWB.

I wish this area would get bought out by Verizon (or VZ would buy out Embarq) so that more of us can get FIOS.

-Rob]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19103455 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:51:51 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19102950 MrMoody :

said by Gandalf4503

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I don't have an MEDR of 8410, so I think it would be a waste of time for me to even call.

It never hurts to ask ...
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"It is a future in which globalization really does work ... and everybody winds up getting to be part of the third world." - William Gibson]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19102950 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:44:15 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19097031 anon : I called yesterday 09/17/07 to cancel my unlimited long distance and the CSR tried to sell me the 5 down. I asked her why I should get the 5 when I don't even get the promise 3. She didn't have a answer. My point is she didn't even mention 10. I recently changed from 14 years with the cable company. My most recent down speed was 6 with the cable and I always got 6.5 down. Beginning to think I made a mistake.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19097031 Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:19:02 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19096858 sashwa : Let us know when you find out, if you don't mind. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19096858 Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:43:09 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19095797 Dezbend :

said by Karl Bode

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So can anyone confirm the 10Mbps launched in Vegas today?

yes, I don't know how many customers can get it, but the product did launch today (well yesterday sept 17th)
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong because I'm highly interested in the 10mb upgrades (depending on the cost of it). My dsl comes out of a remote that IS fiber fed - do I have a chance of 10mb in the near future?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19045674 Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:29:32 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19039409 fivepairpath :

said by random_guy

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It's been confirmed. Internal email says it'll be available in Vegas only effective 9/17/07. 10.0/896k. I don't have pricing info, though. Also, you have to have a qualifying MEDR of 8410.

hah in some cases.. the worst part about that.. if your fttc and only on a fidl a. your only gonna get 1.5 at the highest. thanks to the lovely engineers. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19039409 Sun, 09 Sep 2007 06:07:13 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18998157 Fox McCloud :

said by orph4824

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No experience with VDSL so no clue... Best guess without reguard to standard tiers on ADSL2+ would be 8500-9000 downstream and your upstream could easily do 1000. I believe these numbers would be the most stable at that distance, you may very well get 10m down but I'm playing it safe. :)

Ok, thanks; I guess I'll just have to "wait it out" and see what happens if/when a DSLAM is deployed at my fiber-fed RT.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18998157 Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:34:02 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18997514 orph4824 : No experience with VDSL so no clue... Best guess without reguard to standard tiers on ADSL2+ would be 8500-9000 downstream and your upstream could easily do 1000. I believe these numbers would be the most stable at that distance, you may very well get 10m down but I'm playing it safe. :)
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Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens 2. Stuff happens on a regular basis 3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18997514 Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:22:35 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18997440 Fox McCloud : thanks; I'll keep all of this information in mind.

I also personally know an Embarq tech who might be able to work out a few things, too, so *shrug*.

either way, I'll just have to weigh a few things when a DSLAM is actually deployed here.

the question is, what would you suspect my maximum speeds would be (at 4,500 feet) with uncapped ADSL2+ or with future-deployed VDSL?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18997440 Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:06:14 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18997396 orph4824 :

said by Fox McCloud

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If I cancel service (I have) and resign up, will I get the same copper pair as I did when I initially had service, or will I likely be put on a new copper pair?

Most likely you'd wind up on the same pair depending on how long a time frame you don't have service.

said by Fox McCloud

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Also, did they charge extra to "groom" your line, or was it incorporated into your installation?

At the time I was having loss of sync issues so thier wasn't any charges. at first I got the 1.5mb and used inline filters, worked fine. A month later I upgraded, I did it this was to absorb the inital installation charges. Also my line was fairly clean since I had ISDN previously.

said by Fox McCloud

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One last thing; would it be possible to get them to replace the telephone wire (hanging on a pole) from the front of my property to the back of my home?

Yes, however a service charge would most likely apply, the only cavent to that is if the NID on the front is the old style and they "upgrade" it you could opt to have it placed elsewhere, just have to ask the installer during his visit.

said by Fox McCloud

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Lastly, when the copper wire comes from the telephone box, it connects to a small, covered unit; the metal inside here is badly corroded; could this make a difference? (I'm not worried about the unit where the phone-line enters my house...as that's an old style unit that I plan on having them upgrade to the CID when DSL is installed).

I know of the box your speaking about, its a distrubtion block about the size of a pack of cards, in my parents house all the phones were connected to this box then one lead went outside to the NID. Nowdays its common for the individual runs to go straight to the NID haven't seen a distrubtion box in some time.
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Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens 2. Stuff happens on a regular basis 3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18997396 Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:58:31 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18997266 Fox McCloud :

said by orph4824

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You can have them "groom" the line essentially they try to make a shorter run for you eliminateing extranous loops and taps even moving you to a diffrent copper pair (not replaceing your pole drop).

That's essentially what I meant (different copper pair). If I cancel service (I have) and resign up, will I get the same copper pair as I did when I initially had service, or will I likely be put on a new copper pair?

I know it probably wouldn't make much of a difference, but could I still have them "groom" my line when they come to do the install? Yeah, I know it might not make a huge difference, but if it means increasing my chances of getting a faster package (if/when it's deployed) or making my current package more stable, I'd be all for it.

Also, did they charge extra to "groom" your line, or was it incorporated into your installation?

One last thing; would it be possible to get them to replace the telephone wire (hanging on a pole) from the front of my property to the back of my home?

Lastly, when the copper wire comes from the telephone box, it connects to a small, covered unit; the metal inside here is badly corroded; could this make a difference? (I'm not worried about the unit where the phone-line enters my house...as that's an old style unit that I plan on having them upgrade to the CID when DSL is installed).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18997266 Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:30:59 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18995353 Icon :

said by orph4824

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And when I moved even though I'm less than 10,000 ft I insisted on the external splitter. From my experience the external spliter does alot better than using those inline filters on every non dsl device. Most of what I share is from my own experiece and keeping records over the past 10 years of what works and what doesn't.

That's usually the best way to gain and keep a solid connection. Also, those inline micro filters that come in the install kits can add as much as 400 ft per filter. So if you're on a longer loop and at the limits of DSL, the inline filters can actually hurt you more than help you. The whole house splitter just makes sense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18995353 Sun, 02 Sep 2007 00:24:50 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18994976 orph4824 : You can have them "groom" the line essentially they try to make a shorter run for you eliminateing extranous loops and taps even moving you to a diffrent copper pair (not replaceing your pole drop). However if your less than 5000 ft from your CO/RT you won't see very much improvement. Back when Sprint came out with 3mb I upgraded and at the time i was around 17500 ft from the CO they groomed the line and just in my apartment complex eliminated a 500 ft loop/tap then they went thru the availble pairs and found the pair with the lowest noise factor and on top of that put in an external splitter. All that took them around 4 hours and resolved my looseing sync, keep in mind this was back in 1998. And when I moved even though I'm less than 10,000 ft I insisted on the external splitter. From my experience the external spliter does alot better than using those inline filters on every non dsl device. Most of what I share is from my own experiece and keeping records over the past 10 years of what works and what doesn't.
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Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens 2. Stuff happens on a regular basis 3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18994976 Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:13:42 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18994679 Fox McCloud : so, I take it that, overall, having the phone-lines buried underground in my area is to my advantage?

Also, what's the best way to ensure that you have the shortest run of copper form the RT to your home? Would canceling service and resigning up do the trick? (After all, I've heard of people living relatively close to a RT/CO, but because of the copper length, they could only get 1.5 meg...or they had two phone lines and one could get it...and the other couldn't).

I know this is a bit early to be asking these questions, as DSL isn't even available, but I like to collect information long before the actual ordering process takes place.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18994679 Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:11:53 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18992559 anon : My MEDR was 6188, I didn't ask about distance though. I live pretty far, about 15 miles from the CO and really close to the RT.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18992559 Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:40:08 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18992460 MrMoody : No, this was different, the modem would drop out & reset repeatedly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18992460 Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:12:20 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18992454 orph4824 : Well, according to a friend of mine in NC they were still having problems with the Rocky Mtn redback and just this morning got it resolved. They were having the same issues on both BF2, Skype, and Teamspeak with disconnections.
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Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens 2. Stuff happens on a regular basis 3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18992454 Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:11:25 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18992388 MrMoody : I have two identical Embarq/Zyxel EQ-660Rs. One is brand new they just sent me to (unsuccessfully) resolve my disconnection problem, but the 10-month old one works correctly now that they fixed the problem and is currently connected.
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"It is a future in which globalization really does work ... and everybody winds up getting to be part of the third world." - William Gibson]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18992388 Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:55:33 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18992358 orph4824 : Which modem do you have MrMoody?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18992358 Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:47:45 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18992260 MrMoody : At 4950 ft my MEDR is 6142. I'm beginning to wonder if anyone has much over 6100 until equipment/provisioning is changed over; i.e. it's pointless to get your MEDR now.
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"It is a future in which globalization really does work ... and everybody winds up getting to be part of the third world." - William Gibson]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18992260 Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:23:47 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18990660 orph4824 : The MEDR and AIDR only refer to the copper from your home to the CO/RT buried underground is good, its a bit more robust vs a wire hanging in air, and while the ground provides better shielding it also can seep esp if the ground becomes saturated with rain, the hanging wire is smaller typicaly due to weight span from pole to pole the movement from storms and expansion/shrinkage from temperature can weaken connections over time not to mention any exposed copper will oxidize and rust reduceing performance, alot of telcos revenue go into replaceing air strung copper as it degrades, fiber of course is immue to eletromagnetic interference, exposure to air and water can reduce performance however the glass doesn't erode, yet fiber is easily broken from digging or in some cases soft earth and having heavy machinery cross its path, the big benefit to fiber of course is the size and lower loss factors example with my distance from the CO I loose around appox 85% of the signal by the time it reaches my modem, if it were a fiber run that would drop to around 3% given the same distance.
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Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens 2. Stuff happens on a regular basis 3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18990660 Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:19:09 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18990462 Fox McCloud : my RT is fiber-fed (no DSLAM....YET), that I know...would that come into play any?

Also, around here, all the telephone lines are buried underground, with the exception of the line from the road to the back of my home.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18990462 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:43:27 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18990277 orph4824 : MEDR - MEDR is actually a theoretical measure of the amount of data throughput a line can handle, but does not necessarily refer to the amount of data available to the customer at the end of said copper wiring.
Resource: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEDR

AIDR - AIDR, as opposed to MEDR is an actual measure of what an end-user can be provided measured in kilobytes per second—in other words, an AIDR of 3000 means that the end user in question can receive up to 3000 kilobytes per second of download speed.
Resource: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDR

The MEDR given the distance from the CO/RT is thier best guess at what the line could handle, the AIDR is what it will be able to provide. In your example if you were 50 ft away you'd have no trouble getting it, 4500 (best guess since I've never seen any stats on 10m) is that thiers a 30% chance you wouldn't be able to get the 10m service this is based upon my 5m service I'm just shy of 10,000 feet from the CO all copper how I came up with the 30% is I divided my distance and then cut that by a error margin of 15%, I think at 4500 you could get it but it would be marginal, reasoning for me with the 5m at 10,000 I don't loose sync but the attenuation and power levels are within the 10% borderline, a good breeze makes the readings fluctuate +/- 3db(for ever 3db of loss you cut the useable signal by half)
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Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens 2. Stuff happens on a regular basis 3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18990277 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:13:54 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18990124 Fox McCloud :

said by Dezbend

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The product will require a 660 series modem or one of the newer 2Wires.

I am not sure that current MEDR readings will be used to determine eligibility or if the tables will be updated when the new product is rolled out. Currently I believe 8000 and above indicates a fiber fed community.

what does MEDR stand for and what is it, exactly?

Also, I take it that just because (hypothetically) I'm 50 feet (actual length) from the DSLAM to my home, I may not be able to get it? (I actually live about 4500 feet from the DSLAM...but like I said, hypothetical) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18990124 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:50:02 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18990086 DarnellP :

said by Dezbend

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I am not sure that current MEDR readings will be used to determine eligibility or if the tables will be updated when the new product is rolled out.

It seems plausible that Embarq would probably reassess those tables. While there are quite a few newer subdivisions here presumably being fed by fiber, they'd be leaving a lot of revenue on the table by only serving those areas with this new product.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18990086 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:43:16 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18989533 Dezbend : The product will require a 660 series modem or one of the newer 2Wires.

I am not sure that current MEDR readings will be used to determine eligibility or if the tables will be updated when the new product is rolled out. Currently I believe 8000 and above indicates a fiber fed community.
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said by random_guy

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MEDR stands for Maximum Engineered Data Rate. It's a reading of the max capacity that your line can handle.

To find out your MEDR, just go on their Tech Support chat and ask. :)

Just chatted with EMBARQ,

"6102 is your Medr, you are 0008.84 Kf from CO"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18988925 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:03:49 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18988844 Gandalf4503 : Hmm, this doesn't sound good. I went onto their support and this is what they gave me:

MEDR is 6101 and your AIDR is 6144

Guess I can't get it. I'm pretty disappointed =\

I asked the tech support rep about the 10 meg as well and she confirmed it too, so at least I know for sure it's definitely coming now.

Oh, and the tech support rep was like "Wow, that's the first time a customer ever asked that from me." I guess I made his day :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18988844 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:50:37 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18988379 random_guy : MEDR stands for Maximum Engineered Data Rate. It's a reading of the max capacity that your line can handle.

To find out your MEDR, just go on their Tech Support chat and ask. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18988379 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:33:29 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18987080 MrMoody :

said by Dezbend

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Static IP will not be available with the 10 meg product.

That's odd, I wonder why. Are they afraid people are going to kill them running servers? It's not like 896 is that much faster than 768.

What's MEDR and how do I find out what mine is?
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"It is a future in which globalization really does work ... and everybody winds up getting to be part of the third world." - William Gibson]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18987080 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:39:26 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18986993 orph4824 : My MEDR won't permit me to get 10m service wouldn't get it anyhow without keeping my static IP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18986993 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:24:56 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18986944 random_guy : It's been confirmed. Internal email says it'll be available in Vegas only effective 9/17/07. 10.0/896k. I don't have pricing info, though. Also, you have to have a qualifying MEDR of 8410.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18986944 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:16:42 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18986750 scooper : I guess I won't be getting it if it becomes available. Static IP is something I want and am willing to pay for.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18986750 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:38:00 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18986319 Dezbend : another small piece of info came my way about this. Static IP will not be available with the 10 meg product :(

I am confident in the information I posted a few days ago.
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»Cellphones, Providers, and Plans

Back on topic please. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18981350 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:55:21 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18981289 orph4824 : Called about SERO has to be on a new line they wont switch my exsisting account and I dont't want or need two lines oh well.

Also we've kinda gotten off topic my fault, sorry folks :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18981289 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:47:50 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18981258 orph4824 : lol I have DirecTV but I never order pay per view so I don't have it connected to the phone line.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18981258 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:43:19 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18981162 scooper : Dish Network or DirectTV...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18981162 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:26:53 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18980950 Fox McCloud : you could go with the Sprint SERO plan; it's cheaper, and you get unlimited texting and power vision (lite SERO edition) for free.

Also, if you nicely ask, and stay a customer long enough, you can usually get free nights and weekends starting at 6PM instead of 7PM...and you can also get free FIMF (first incoming minute is free). Heck, there's been a rumor floating around that Sprint may add free incoming calls to their SERO plan...though it remains a rumor, as of now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18980950 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:52:10 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18977851 orph4824 : Fox: Heres my current plan 500mins like yours...
Also way back when I used dialup ('94-'96) I was online almost constantly, friends complained they couldn't get thru, didn't have a cell. I got ISDN, fell in love with the voice quality and having a syncronis line 64k/64k per channel 128k/128k when bonded, and if I needed to call or someone called me it would drop one channel and permit me to call out or an incoming caller, most of all it was stable while today speeds on DSL and Cable far surpass ISDN the voice quality, stability, configuability I miss greatly. My hopes that sometime in the future fiber mirrors what my ISDN line had to offer.

Scooper: I'll admit ignorance, whats DBS?

Edit: Had to edit the first image didn't realize it was showing my cell number, DOH!

My Plan

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18977851 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:08:09 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18976992 scooper : Well - if you use DBS - there is a good reason to keep your POTS line.

We do so little Long distance that we use pre-paid cards instead - it's cheaper. The Long Distance on my Embarq bill is the $0 monthly recurring charge, really expensive per minute plan. Heck - I use the cell phone so little that a couple years ago - we both switched to Virgin Mobile - $.18 per minute, $20 every 3 months to keep our number. And I don't always use that up....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18976992 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:25:23 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18976840 orph4824 : If Naked DSL were to come about I'd go with a free incoming or atleast 1st minute incomeing plan for the cell even then would save $20 or so. But Embarq isn't gonna let loose of our wallets (aka POTS) any time soon.
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Life's 3 rules: 1. Stuff happens 2. Stuff happens on a regular basis 3. Better get used to the first two... (not the actual saying but you get the drift)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18976840 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:06:49 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18976790 Fox McCloud : I'm in a similar boat:

I pay $30 a month for 500 minutes, unlimited data, web browsing, texting, free nights and weekends (starting at 7PM), and nationwide long distance included....I do most of my talking over IM, so 500 minutes is total overkill (plus, my family has the same carrier, so we talk for free).

So basically, I don't need a POTS line...heck, even when I had dial-up, that's the only reason why I had it; for dial-up...and since I had that connected nearly 24/7...it was sort of like paying $47 a month for dial-up ($32 for the phone and $15 for the dial-up account).

I really detest the idea of getting a POTS line again, and will ONLY do so if DSL becomes available at my home....even then, I'll probably get the cheapest package I can (charged, per call, per minute).....since I definitely won't be making any calls over it as the only reason I'll have it is to get DSL.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18976790 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:00:58 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18976646 orph4824 : From talks I've had with some insiders, unless something remarkable changes that naked DSL has been trialed and won't be coming to Embarq since thier phone service is thier main cash cow it's not in thier best interest to go that route like you I wished they would. I have my cell and nation wide long distance as well as I bought a year long SkypeOut account for $15 back in January during thier promition and dropped Embarq's unlimited long distance, at the time it was $25/mo they offered to drop that to $15/mo but really $15/yr a no brainer. I might add that come January it will be $30/yr to renew still a no brainer, this combined with the cell unlimited night and weekends starting at 7pm saves me $300/yr on the old $25/mo and $180/yr on the $15/mo Embarq offered.
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Also...naked DSL...is a must.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18976376 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:13:44 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18972359 anon : 10meg is definitely coming. It has been around in developer markets for some time as FTTC service. in some areas actually embarq is only allowed to charge for the 768k when a customer has this service because there is no guarantee of the speed the customer is actually going to get, although the maximum data rate to the home (medr) is off the scale.

as far as 10meg adsl is concerned, that will follow pricing strategy much like embarq's other services, and will probably be deployed within the next month. the tiers will most likely go like this:

$19.95 for 768k
$24.95 for 1.5M
$34.95 for 3.0M
$44.95 for 5.0M
$54.95 for 10M

All prices are $10 higher if you do not have a qualifying voice package. There is also no longer a contract for HSI, regardless of the speed you choose.

If you have good credit through the public utility companies, or have maintained good payment history for 3 consecutive months with Embarq, your modem is free. Embarq offers a leased modem to new customers who may not have an established credit history for $4.95 per month for 18 months, at which point the modem is paid off.

For customers who qualify for the free modem, $100 is taken off the price of the 2wire gateway, making the cost of the wireless internet equipment $49.99. If you have a well established payment history with Embarq, this can be billed to the account and split into 3 installments. Otherwise it is paid for up-front.

Shipping and handling is 14.95 for 2nd day air UPS delivery of the equipment. The activation fee is $15. If you plan on ordering the service, do so at the beginning of the month. Each month, Embarq representatives are given 10 (and only 10) $30 coupons to help close "shoppers". This applies a -$30 credit to the bill and essentially waives activation and shipping costs.

And that's really all that there is to know about Embarq service at the present date. Look forward to 10meg adsl in the coming month.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18972359 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:47:25 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18971540 random_guy : Just wanted to put my own two cents in. About a month ago I did see a flyer/notification thingy that I get randomly in my inbox, and it mentioned something about 10M, which caught me off guard. Dez is correct that it'll start in Vegas, and it'll roll out to the other major Embarq markets once the kinks are worked out.

Of course, you'd have to have some nice line quality to begin with to even qualify, but that's a different story altogether. ;)

I'd love to post that flyer here, but I'm not sure that's legal, and even if so I don't think I'd want to put my job at risk for it. But I'm just another independent source that's confirming that 10M is coming soon. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18971540 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:00:53 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18970075 anon : Well, I am really wanting 10MB down, I get my 5mb/768 about 85 percent up the time. But face it, phone co's vary greatly. Here in Central MO, it's Embarq with it's 5mb down if your close enough. In the same area we have Century Tel which is offering 10mb down/768 up and I have one business site in the sticks thats on it and getting 10.5 down and 768 up, so wow. Other small telcos are offering 1.5mb down or maybe 2 down and 384 up and this is to people in the brush in the middle of nowhere. Then comes ATT/SBC who will not invest in rural DSL because it costs too much and the return is too slow so investors wouldn't be happy. If your one of those people and you live outside a major population center, then you are flat out of luck for anything except Wildblue. So yes we can want and bitch, be we are lucky !!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18970075 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:11:25 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18951113 espaeth : Most likely the bandwidth profile on the Redback was still set to throttle appropriately. I had the same issue here after our DSLAM kacked and had to be replaced -- my modem trained at 8mbit down /898 up. I was still only getting my paid service down, however I *did* see the full 898 up which was kinda neat.

-Eric]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18951113 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 00:03:04 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18950674 Fox McCloud :

said by CapeFish

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Today a tech came out to check on my modem's issues keeping the DSL & Internet lights on without intermittent resets. It turns out the modem was brought back from vacation service and provisioned incorrectly to 8MB instead of my 1.5MB. :o

Any comments?

hahah, that's pretty good. While it's nice to enjoy the higher speeds, I'm sure, I'd call and have them reprovision the modem...why? 1)technically, operating at that higher sync rate is theft of service; you're only paying for 1.5 meg, yet you're getting 8 meg. 2) They may catch it, eventually and think you're the one who made the provisioning change; I haven't heard of a cable or DSL company, yet, that approved of this.

still though, I don't think I could resist downloading one large file, just to push the limits of 8 meg.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18950674 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:13:32 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18949706 CapeFish : Today a tech came out to check on my modem's issues keeping the DSL & Internet lights on without intermittent resets. It turns out the modem was brought back from vacation service and provisioned incorrectly to 8MB instead of my 1.5MB. :o

Any comments?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18949706 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:47:19 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18948813 Fox McCloud : lucky you; do you have a digital tuner? If so, you could try scanning for any possible HD channels.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18948813 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:42:10 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18946492 feek : They just come in to the house, I've never ordered cable service, and I don't plan to so I don't screw up a good thing...

I'm saying, though, if that wasn't the case it would make absolutely no sense to get Embarq DSL as their fastest package is about 20 percent slower and 20 percent more expensive than Comcast's.
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said by robertfl

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Right now, my ISP is offering 12 megs for $56 dollars a month.
I don't know how embarq is surviving up here. DSL wise. Though Cox is now doing redirects, (you type in a bad url, it redirects you to their search page)

Fort Walton Beach, FL is about 3 years behind the times.
I couldn't even get 3 meg embarq service here.

-Rob

Simple way around that don't use the DNS that Cox provides. ex 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2
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I don't know how embarq is surviving up here. DSL wise. Though Cox is now doing redirects, (you type in a bad url, it redirects you to their search page)

Fort Walton Beach, FL is about 3 years behind the times.
I couldn't even get 3 meg embarq service here.

-Rob ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18942582 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:10:50 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18942007 Fox McCloud :

said by Dezbend

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One guy I talked to said they would be reevaluating the overall price structure when it is rolled out nationally. I don't know what that means, so I wont make any guesses.

I would like to point out that the information I posted is simply a rumor at this point. I found it more believable than things I have heard in the past as it is specific, but is subject to change yadda, yadda, yadda....

yeah, I realize that it's still rumor; I was merely implying that if the rumor is true, that price is a little hefty.

if they do restructure it, I hope it means their lowest package (768k) will only cost $14.95 a month and their highest (10 meg) will cost $54.95 (-$10 if you bundle); still, I have my doubts about this, as people could get 768k for $4.95 a month. (though, if it were advertised, it might alleviate the bandwidth crunch, as there would probably be a LOT of users who would just want to get the cheapest thing possible, since they only use it on occasions).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18942007 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:40:13 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18941812 Dezbend : One guy I talked to said they would be reevaluating the overall price structure when it is rolled out nationally. I don't know what that means, so I wont make any guesses.

I would like to point out that the information I posted is simply a rumor at this point. I found it more believable than things I have heard in the past as it is specific, but is subject to change yadda, yadda, yadda....
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said by feek

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I wish they'd factor in the cost of their essentially useless landline. That's another 15 dollars. So, for me right now, it's 15+54+10~fees = 80 dollars!

I just started service(so I don't have an actual bill yet), but I've had comcast in the past and it was only 64 dollars, and you got some basic cable channels, AND it's significantly faster. I think it's 8/1 right now plus that weird burst technology.

the only reason i have embarq is because a whole bunch of comcast channels come into my house for free. It really doesn't make sense to use Embarq, atleast not in my market. If they offered the 10/868 service for the same 54 dollar price, THEN it would be worth a look at.

how are you getting channels for free? When you got cable Internet, did they forget to put the filter in?

If Embarq launched a "go naked" campaign for their DSL, I'd be much pleased; more and more companies are starting to go this route; why not one of the highest rated DSL company around?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18940686 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:00:38 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18939428 feek : I wish they'd factor in the cost of their essentially useless landline. That's another 15 dollars. So, for me right now, it's 15+54+10~fees = 80 dollars!

I just started service(so I don't have an actual bill yet), but I've had comcast in the past and it was only 64 dollars, and you got some basic cable channels, AND it's significantly faster. I think it's 8/1 right now plus that weird burst technology.

the only reason i have embarq is because a whole bunch of comcast channels come into my house for free. It really doesn't make sense to use Embarq, atleast not in my market. If they offered the 10/868 service for the same 54 dollar price, THEN it would be worth a look at.
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said by Fox McCloud

:

$65? Ouch; I was hoping they'd make 10/1 $55, 5/768 $45, 3 meg $35, 1.5 meg $25 and 768k $15....doesn't look like that's going to happen.

I *think* it depends on your area and the competition. Where I am, Embarq pegs prices close to Comcast offerings (their main competitor): I pay $45 for the 3000 tier, and that's around $10 less than Comcast charges for naked HSI service, which I believe is 6000.

However, I know people that pay $35 for the 3000 tier in another area where there are more competitors. I don't know whether Comcast is one of them.
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said by bctrainers

said by TScheisskopf

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Ditto on the ouch. That will hardly be competitive with Comcast in these parts.

Would be nice if they went ahead and put in vDSL or whatever that new technology is named... I'd get that faster than anything else! :p

I'll second that; I live under 5000 feet from a fiber fed RT, so the speeds I could get would be amazing....sadly, I think DSL Tech said that Embarq has no current plans to deploy VDSL at RT's; only the central office (of course, he said you probably wouldn't expect to see higher speeds from it either; they'd use most of the bandwidth for IPTV).

Either way, we can use port bonding with ADSL2+, so we could theoretically have speeds asymmetrical speeds that are on par with Verizon's FiOS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18931155 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:03:48 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18930945 bctrainers :

said by TScheisskopf

:

Ditto on the ouch. That will hardly be competitive with Comcast in these parts.

Would be nice if they went ahead and put in vDSL or whatever that new technology is named... I'd get that faster than anything else! :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18930945 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:32:05 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18930861 TScheisskopf : Ditto on the ouch. That will hardly be competitive with Comcast in these parts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18930861 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:21:59 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18930470 bctrainers :

said by jsmith99 :

So $10 more a month for double the speed? Nice.

That's not all that bad to be honest, just have to hope that the tubes of embarq to sprintlink will not become saturated from the new tier speeds... Seeing the past year of upgrades via SprintLink in my area has led me to think there is a change coming. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18930470 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:30:44 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18930392 anon : So $10 more a month for double the speed? Nice.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18930392 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:20:46 EDT Re: more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18930149 Gemologist : Hmmm.. guess they will need to do some serious upgrading in the next year considering they can not even support and provide 5M/640K around here!!! Since they can't manage even stable 3M here how will they provide 10M???
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Anyway, only time will tell. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18929283 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:42:40 EDT more 10 Meg rumors http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18928844 Dezbend : Finally, after months and months of asking my sources, I got some actual numbers (I will not vouch for the accuracy yet - I am treating this as rumor still)

9/17 10Meg/896k offered in Las Vegas at $64.95 (-$10.00 with qualifying bundle)

Jan 2008 10 Meg offered in all areas same pricing

I do not know if this is a phased roll out with 10Meg service being introduced town by town or if Las Vegas is doing a trial a few months early.
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