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| Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone As they should? You know the problem with cell phones in the US.. they all suck except this one phone. It does a ton of things, but it sucks too. It's just like when AT&T was the only people you could "lease" a phone from and they sucked. Look at the phones you can put into your house today. AT&T would not have made them as fast since they'd just release a phone with x feature, then to get the new x feature you'd have to upgrade.
Phones in other countries are leaps and bounds ahead of what we call a cell phone.
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| Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone said by NOCMan  :Phones in other countries are leaps and bounds ahead of what we call a cell phone. what phones are leaps and bounds ahead of what we have? show me | |
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| Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone said by nu2this :what phones are leaps and bounds ahead of what we have? show me ALL of them...
They have been for YEARS....
This will get you started. If you want more info....google is your friend.
»cellphones.about.com/od/buyersgu···ones.htm
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| Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone What more do you need than a Jitterbug phone? | |
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| said by retropolitan :We will see how long it lasts. I bet Apple is already working on SW update to lock the phones again as they should. Should Apple lock the phones, or should Cingular?
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1 edit | said by retropolitan :We will see how long it lasts. I bet Apple is already working on SW update to lock the phones again as they should. NO ONE is patching the ROM in the iPhones already out walking the streets in Joe Blows' hands. They can fix the next generation of iPhones perhaps.
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retropolitan
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1 edit | Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone said by retropolitan :Apple. It's their code that those guys are messing with. I doubt it's legal. You OWN the phone...what you do to it is your own business....it's when you start distributing a hack or selling, whatever, that the legal grounds get squishy....
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| said by retropolitan :Apple. It's their code that those guys are messing with. I doubt it's legal. Totally legal. If I buy a $500 phone I can shit on it, hit it with a hammer, modify it, tow it behind my car, whatever.
From the article:
There is apparently no U.S. law against unlocking cell phones. Last year, the Library of Congress specifically excluded cell-phone unlocking from coverage under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Among other things, the law has been used to prosecute people who modify game consoles to play a wider variety of games.
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1 edit | Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone said by retropolitan :other phones are not running OS X which at the last I checked it was owned by Apple. Bull Sh$@....you mean to tell me Apple can show up at my door and demand OS X be removed from my Mac machine?? The OS running on my iPod? The OS on an iPhone?
Ummmmm.....what are you smoking and where can I get some?
They own the raw code....once they sell the packaged OS, it's MINE...
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| Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone said by leXicon5 :They own the raw code....once they sell the packaged OS, it's MINE... Um...aren't you only buy a license to use their OS? | |
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| Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone said by BellBoy :said by leXicon5 :They own the raw code....once they sell the packaged OS, it's MINE... Um...aren't you only buy a license to use their OS? Correct. The money you pay is to purchase a license to use the software. You do not own the software.
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| Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone said by MadDog3057 :Correct. The money you pay is to purchase a license to use the software. You do not own the software. And if they try to revoke the license? I OWN that copy...and yes, I'm licensed to USE it. But that DVD is mine
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| Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone said by leXicon5 :said by MadDog3057 :Correct. The money you pay is to purchase a license to use the software. You do not own the software. And if they try to revoke the license? I OWN that copy...and yes, I'm licensed to USE it. But that DVD is mine In the terms of the license it clearly states that apple can terminate your license if you do not abide by the agreement terms and you are to destroy any copies of apple software under that license.
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| Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone said by MadDog3057 :said by leXicon5 :said by MadDog3057 :Correct. The money you pay is to purchase a license to use the software. You do not own the software. And if they try to revoke the license? I OWN that copy...and yes, I'm licensed to USE it. But that DVD is mine In the terms of the license it clearly states that apple can terminate your license if you do not abide by the agreement terms and you are to destroy any copies of apple software under that license. Yeah, but if you unlock it, is it still the software to which they can revoke your liscense?
And how exactly will they do that anyway? The hell if anyone will let them touch their phone, and I highly doubt that kind of thing will hold up. It's one thing with a piece of purchased software (and I'm not even happy about that (or sure it'll hold up)), but it's another with a device so integrated with its software software.
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| said by BellBoy :said by leXicon5 :They own the raw code....once they sell the packaged OS, it's MINE... Um...aren't you only buy a license to use their OS? No....you agree to a EULA...but it says NOTHING about me hacking or destroying it....you agree not to redistribute it...
Same as an album...I can't make money from their work or redistribute but free to do with it as I please....burn the CD, rip it etc...
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| Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone said by JoeG4 :If AT&T thinks they deserve 2 years of service from me, they had better make it WORTH KEPING FOR 2 years. If you signed a contract with AT&T (or Cingular), then you have to abide by the terms of that contract (unless said terms are illegal, etc.) If you unlock your phone and don't pay AT&T, they most certainly have the right to get their "Early Termination Fee" out of you; if you unlock the phone but continue to pay AT&T, I doubt they care.
The cellular providers are entitled to contacts because that is how they make the service available. My understanding is that one can "opt-out" of the contract when one signs up and be on the "pay by the month" plan but it still might have an early termination fee.
Or, put another way, if you don't like contacts, sign up with a provider who doesn't require them. | |
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945941 | If you're paying the ETF, Apple should still be getting the money - IMHO "you voided the warranty"! Is such a lame clause, what if the mod had nothing to do with the reason for the warranty repair? What if the LCD died? Grr. | |
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| Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone said by JoeG4 :If you're paying the ETF, Apple should still be getting the money - IMHO "you voided the warranty"! Is such a lame clause, what if the mod had nothing to do with the reason for the warranty repair? What if the LCD died? Grr. Unfortunately the warranty covers the phone as a whole so even if your mod has nothing to do with what is broken, since you've altered the phone then the warranty no longer covers it.
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1 edit | Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone said by leXicon5 :said by BellBoy :said by leXicon5 :They own the raw code....once they sell the packaged OS, it's MINE... Um...aren't you only buy a license to use their OS? No....you agree to a EULA...but it says NOTHING about me hacking or destroying it....you agree not to redistribute it... Same as an album...I can't make money from their work or redistribute but free to do with it as I please....burn the CD, rip it etc... Doctrine of first sale. You are free to sell anything you own that has been legally obtained. Software & music included. Of course any backup copies should be destroyed when you no longer possess a license and should never be distributed, even with the original work.
said by MadDog3057 :said by JoeG4 :If you're paying the ETF, Apple should still be getting the money - IMHO "you voided the warranty"! Is such a lame clause, what if the mod had nothing to do with the reason for the warranty repair? What if the LCD died? Grr. Unfortunately the warranty covers the phone as a whole so even if your mod has nothing to do with what is broken, since you've altered the phone then the warranty no longer covers it. Here in the US that is known as illegal. You can do whatever you want. Apple does not provide an unlocking service at no cost, so as long as your unlocking did not damage the phone the warranty is still in full force. Also just using it with another network would not void the warranty either.
Guess why there's no iPhone in Europe? Phone locking is illegal except for Germany & France (.. if my memory serves me correctly...) the countries where it's rumored their might be a release).
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1 edit | Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone Well, by using the iPhone you are agreeing to the terms of the iPhone agreement and in it they state that they can revoke your use of the iPhone software. | |
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| Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone I could care about all the legal mumbo jumbo. As a T-Mobile subscriber and wanter of the iPhone, I think this is an idea whose time was overdue! I love the iPhone but just freed myself from Cingular last year, so no way was I going back. Soon as I see people are doing this successfully, one will be mine! | |
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Just about everywhere else in the world that has not been 'oppressed' with CDMA and all the locking crap, you can get a phone from whoever you want and use it with any provider you want and switch SIM cards to whoever you want whenever you want!
Why people in the US enjoy bending over and getting reamed without lub and then taking the side of the rapist is just beyond insane. | |
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I just don't understand this mentality in the US that you should just listen to big brother, let them make all these oppressive rules/laws and if you don't follow them they will help make a bunch of lawyers rich!
Just about everywhere else in the world that has not been 'oppressed' with CDMA and all the locking crap, you can get a phone from whoever you want and use it with any provider you want and switch SIM cards to whoever you want whenever you want!
Why people in the US enjoy bending over and getting reamed without lub and then taking the side of the rapist is just beyond insane.
Its called Capitalism, unchecked and unrestrained. 90% of americans do not know any better and are completely brain washed by corporations and the media
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I just don't understand this mentality in the US that you should just listen to big brother, let them make all these oppressive rules/laws and if you don't follow them they will help make a bunch of lawyers rich!
Just about everywhere else in the world that has not been 'oppressed' with CDMA and all the locking crap, you can get a phone from whoever you want and use it with any provider you want and switch SIM cards to whoever you want whenever you want!
Why people in the US enjoy bending over and getting reamed without lub and then taking the side of the rapist is just beyond insane.
You can do exactly what you say. Type in "world phones" in Google and you will find plenty of unlocked GSM phones that you can use with any compatible service provider throughout the world including the United States. I've purchased plenty of phones over the years this way. But when the iPhone comes along and people feel screwed they flip out like its the end of the world. If you don't want the iPhone, don't buy one. Buy an unlocked phone of your choosing. Give it a rest already. | |
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If they cannot make stuff secure enough to prevent me from using it in a way it was not intended (a way that prevents them from maximising their profit) that should NEVER EVER be MY problem. It should be THEIR problem!
There should be a test for legal decisions. "Does this idiotic law make it the purchasers problem if they find a way to reduce the purchasee's profit from it". If so, then kill the law.
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| What good is unlocking the iPhone? You think Verizon is going to allow it on their network? And even if they did, they don't have the back end for it. Your 'Visual Voicemail' wouldn't work.
I think people forget the entire reason Apple did the deal with AT&T in the first place is because they are the only ones that were willing to create a new back end for the iPhone.
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