phoneboy3
@shawcable.net | reply to kenandles
Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone
For starters it's a GSM phone so it won't work on a CDMA network. GSM providers allow anything that accepts their SIM cards. That's the beauty of GSM |
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rexbinary
Mod King
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| reply to kenandles
What good is unlocking the iPhone? You think Verizon is going to allow it on their network? And even if they did, they don't have the back end for it. Your 'Visual Voicemail' wouldn't work.
I think people forget the entire reason Apple did the deal with AT&T in the first place is because they are the only ones that were willing to create a new back end for the iPhone.
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obeythelaw
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Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone
said by phoneboy3 :
I just don't understand this mentality in the US that you should just listen to big brother, let them make all these oppressive rules/laws and if you don't follow them they will help make a bunch of lawyers rich!
Just about everywhere else in the world that has not been 'oppressed' with CDMA and all the locking crap, you can get a phone from whoever you want and use it with any provider you want and switch SIM cards to whoever you want whenever you want!
Why people in the US enjoy bending over and getting reamed without lub and then taking the side of the rapist is just beyond insane.
You can do exactly what you say. Type in "world phones" in Google and you will find plenty of unlocked GSM phones that you can use with any compatible service provider throughout the world including the United States. I've purchased plenty of phones over the years this way. But when the iPhone comes along and people feel screwed they flip out like its the end of the world. If you don't want the iPhone, don't buy one. Buy an unlocked phone of your choosing. Give it a rest already. |
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phoneboy3
@shawcable.net
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Or do what I do. Simply refuse to be bribed by a cheap phone in exchange for some overpriced contract term!
I ONLY do month to month pay as you go! If Provider A makes that difficult or less cost effective I go with Provider B. If everyone did that the consumer would gain the upper hand. |
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JoeG4
join:2001-12-16
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said by phoneboy3 :
Why people in the US enjoy bending over and getting reamed without lub and then taking the side of the rapist is just beyond insane.
A lot of the time it's ignorance, but even the dumbest people I know get riled up when we talk about phone/cable companies, especially those regarding mobile phones. Quite honestly put, Mobile Phone companies are right up there with car salespeople (the people who sell cell phones are crooks), the customer service reps are crooks, and if you look at them funny, BAM! Two more years of contract b!!!!atch!
But the cellphone has become such a staple here that people do whatever they have to, in order to pay for their overpriced service. |
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phoneboy3
@shawcable.net
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Unchecked and unrestrained can be a good thing as well. I say, let them try and stop people from hacking through technical means but when they start trying to tell people what they can and cannot do legally with stuff that is bought and paid for I gotta draw the line!
If they cannot make stuff secure enough to prevent me from using it in a way it was not intended (a way that prevents them from maximising their profit) that should NEVER EVER be MY problem. It should be THEIR problem!
There should be a test for legal decisions. "Does this idiotic law make it the purchasers problem if they find a way to reduce the purchasee's profit from it". If so, then kill the law.
Ok, I'm waiting for the first brainwashed smart ass to find some loophole that would serve to contradict my utopian claims. |
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kenandles
join:2002-12-06
Roselle, NJ | reply to kenandles
All i can say is people have been hacking stuff from the begining, nothing is going to stop them now. |
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M A R K
Premium
join:2001-06-15
Long Island
clubs:
| reply to phoneboy3
said by phoneboy3 :
I just don't understand this mentality in the US that you should just listen to big brother, let them make all these oppressive rules/laws and if you don't follow them they will help make a bunch of lawyers rich!
Just about everywhere else in the world that has not been 'oppressed' with CDMA and all the locking crap, you can get a phone from whoever you want and use it with any provider you want and switch SIM cards to whoever you want whenever you want!
Why people in the US enjoy bending over and getting reamed without lub and then taking the side of the rapist is just beyond insane.
Its called Capitalism, unchecked and unrestrained. 90% of americans do not know any better and are completely brain washed by corporations and the media
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phoneboy3
@shawcable.net
| reply to kenandles
Re: NJ Teen unlocks iPhone
I just don't understand this mentality in the US that you should just listen to big brother, let them make all these oppressive rules/laws and if you don't follow them they will help make a bunch of lawyers rich!
Just about everywhere else in the world that has not been 'oppressed' with CDMA and all the locking crap, you can get a phone from whoever you want and use it with any provider you want and switch SIM cards to whoever you want whenever you want!
Why people in the US enjoy bending over and getting reamed without lub and then taking the side of the rapist is just beyond insane. |
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JoeG4
join:2001-12-16
945941 | reply to HappyBunny
Agreed, that and myself I would be happy enough with the iPhone sans internet.
(I'm a tmobile sub and see no reason to pay more than $30 a month for phone service!) |
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HappyBunny
Hi. Cram It.
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join:2001-06-23
Long Beach, CA
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| reply to JoeG4
I could care about all the legal mumbo jumbo. As a T-Mobile subscriber and wanter of the iPhone, I think this is an idea whose time was overdue! I love the iPhone but just freed myself from Cingular last year, so no way was I going back. Soon as I see people are doing this successfully, one will be mine! |
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JoeG4
join:2001-12-16
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Yeah, but agreements say all kinds of things that never actually stand up in court. The only way they could keep you from using the modded iPhone is if they took it away from you.
If Apple wants *TOTAL* control of they hardware they shouldn't even be selling it to you, they should be renting it out as part of the service. |
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MadDog3057
Ex Astris, Scientia
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Miami, FL
1 edit | reply to JoeG4
Well, by using the iPhone you are agreeing to the terms of the iPhone agreement and in it they state that they can revoke your use of the iPhone software. |
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JoeG4
join:2001-12-16
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| reply to kenandles
I'm not a lawyer, but I doubt if Apple could legally revoke the license to use the software to run the iPhone, because without it, the device you bought would be inoperable.
Falls along the lines of destruction of property or something like that. |
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GilbertMark
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Gilbert, AZ
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1 edit | reply to retropolitan
said by retropolitan  :We will see how long it lasts. I bet Apple is already working on SW update to lock the phones again as they should. NO ONE is patching the ROM in the iPhones already out walking the streets in Joe Blows' hands. They can fix the next generation of iPhones perhaps.
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M A R K
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Long Island
clubs: | reply to kenandles
Also, the phone is bought from Apple not ATT, this changes things.
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Trel
Good Evening
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join:2002-10-08
Hillsborough, NJ
| reply to MadDog3057
said by MadDog3057 :said by leXicon5 :said by MadDog3057 :Correct. The money you pay is to purchase a license to use the software. You do not own the software. And if they try to revoke the license? I OWN that copy...and yes, I'm licensed to USE it. But that DVD is mine In the terms of the license it clearly states that apple can terminate your license if you do not abide by the agreement terms and you are to destroy any copies of apple software under that license. Yeah, but if you unlock it, is it still the software to which they can revoke your liscense? 
And how exactly will they do that anyway? The hell if anyone will let them touch their phone, and I highly doubt that kind of thing will hold up. It's one thing with a piece of purchased software (and I'm not even happy about that (or sure it'll hold up)), but it's another with a device so integrated with its software software.
That's like someone saying, you used a TiVo, so now you're not allowed to watch your TV at all. You can't even turn it on anymore. |
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joako
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1 edit | reply to MadDog3057
said by leXicon5 :said by BellBoy :said by leXicon5 :They own the raw code....once they sell the packaged OS, it's MINE... Um...aren't you only buy a license to use their OS? No....you agree to a EULA...but it says NOTHING about me hacking or destroying it....you agree not to redistribute it... Same as an album...I can't make money from their work or redistribute but free to do with it as I please....burn the CD, rip it etc... Doctrine of first sale. You are free to sell anything you own that has been legally obtained. Software & music included. Of course any backup copies should be destroyed when you no longer possess a license and should never be distributed, even with the original work.
said by MadDog3057 :said by JoeG4 :If you're paying the ETF, Apple should still be getting the money - IMHO "you voided the warranty"! Is such a lame clause, what if the mod had nothing to do with the reason for the warranty repair? What if the LCD died? Grr. Unfortunately the warranty covers the phone as a whole so even if your mod has nothing to do with what is broken, since you've altered the phone then the warranty no longer covers it. Here in the US that is known as illegal. You can do whatever you want. Apple does not provide an unlocking service at no cost, so as long as your unlocking did not damage the phone the warranty is still in full force. Also just using it with another network would not void the warranty either.
Guess why there's no iPhone in Europe? Phone locking is illegal except for Germany & France (.. if my memory serves me correctly...) the countries where it's rumored their might be a release).
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