LiberalKing
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1 edit | COMCRAP WILL ALWAYS BE COMCRAP
and if cablevision fOllows this fraud ILL SUE THEM | |
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Cheese
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| Re: COMCRAP said by LiberalKing  :WILL ALWAYS BE COMCRAP and if cablevision fOllows this fraud ILL SUE THEM Fraud? Three letters, TOS  | |
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LiberalKing
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1 edit | Re: COMCRAP keep sticking for the big corps sheep. | |
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Cheese
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| Re: COMCRAP said by LiberalKing :keep sticking for the big corps sheep. Since I don't use BT, doesn't really affect me. Also, sheep? Um | |
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formercanuck
@aops-eds.com | Re: COMCRAP Gotta love 3rd party DSL resellers like DSL Extreme... no traffic shaping, and any port blocking is listed. | |
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Fox River Grove, IL | Re: COMCRAP I have a cousin that works there in California. lol. | |
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funchords
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| said by formercanuck :
Gotta love 3rd party DSL resellers like DSL Extreme... no traffic shaping, and any port blocking is listed.
I've been giving that a lot of thought, myself. I've had DSL 3 times. I've subscribed to Verizon directly, and I've subscribed to resellers on two different occasions.
As a power user, I really appreciated the way that the resellers worked. They were much more eager to make me happy! | |
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53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
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| Re: COMCRAP if its the only broadband option then your out of luck.
this boils down to a network neutrality debate. in the end the power-user like most of us at this site will be alienated and forced to create our own underground network. | |
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Cheese
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1 edit | Re: COMCRAP said by deleted post :
she believes bit-torrent = illegal
And if 90 percent of the content wasn't illegal, I don't think Comcast would be doing this, now would they? | |
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Noah Vail
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Lorton, VA | Sure they would. Separate Justification from Reason and you'll see why.
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funchords
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1 edit | Re: COMCRAP said by Cheese :said by deletedpost :
she believes bit-torrent = illegal
And if 90 percent of the content wasn't illegal, I don't think Comcast would be doing this, now would they? Let's see...
2/3rds to 3/4ths of Internet traffic is P2P. All P2P protocols use the TCP/IP protocol to transfer files.
Therefore, by your reasoning, it's okay if Comcast bans the TCP/IP protocol since most of what is carried on it is illegal.
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| It is not whether it is legal or illegal they are doing this because they don't like bittorent since it strains their network. Pirating encourages people to get HSI so why would Comcast want to filter it. Comcast just realized that with bitorrent the law of diminishing returns comes into play. | |
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Cheese
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| Re: COMCRAP said by Omega :I play World of Warcraft. Created by a legitimate company (Blizzard), bought and paid for legally. The folks over at Blizzard have determined that the best way to distribute updates for the game is via a client that uses the same protocol as bittorrent. So, if I was to have comcast, you are pretty much saying they have every right to block the needed data in order for me to play the game. Just because it CAN be used for something illegal doesn't give them the right to block the protocol entirely. If that was the case then we wouldn't have Xerox machines, CD/DVD burners, VCR's, the list can go on and on. Plus allowing companies to block stuff like this could set a dangerous precedent. What if Comcast suddenly decides that DSLR should be blocked because they have negative articles about the company? They aren't "blocking" you from getting the file from what I am reading, once it's done and you start sending is when this is happening. | |
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Shoot to kill
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| Re: COMCRAP The Sandvine product is meant to block seeding (uploading after finishing a downloaded torrent), but in reality they also are rate limiting the download side of things too. They may be using a bucket method of rate limiting, or they may simply limit the number of possible connections to something relatively low, like 50 or 100 concurrent connections per modem. That would in effect slow your torrent download because you're unable receive as many pieces of a torrent at a time.
World of Warcraft is an excellent example of a legitimate use of P2P technology. Blizzard doesn't want to have to pay for bandwidth, so instead of hosting their own files in massive data centers (as some might argue that they should), they rely on ISP's to carry bare the burden of their game file transfers. Definitely a win-win scenario for Blizzard, not so much for the ISP's.
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tshirt
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| Re: COMCRAP said by Done_Posting :The Sandvine product is meant to block seeding (uploading after finishing a downloaded torrent), but in reality they also are rate limiting the download side of things too. They may be using a bucket method of rate limiting, or they may simply limit the number of possible connections to something relatively low, like 50 or 100 concurrent connections per modem. That speaks to aspect of the other problem.
from a network management view even if available bandwidth is far less limited as with fiber, a client that persistantly attempt to make dozens to hundreds of connection across multiple ports, looks a lot like worm or DoS activity, something that ISP's have an obligation (morally, if not legally) to block/restrict. | |
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join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
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4 edits | said by Cheese :said by Omega :I play World of Warcraft. Created by a legitimate company (Blizzard), bought and paid for legally. The folks over at Blizzard have determined that the best way to distribute updates for the game is via a client that uses the same protocol as bittorrent. So, if I was to have comcast, you are pretty much saying they have every right to block the needed data in order for me to play the game. They aren't "blocking" you from getting the file from what I am reading, once it's done and you start sending is when this is happening. When you upddate WOW through the client it uses bit torrent protocol.
Now here is the problem, if you watch the download will get to 99% and stay there a while. This is because you are required to SHARE a certain amount of the update (That means sending data) before you are allowed to get to 100% complete and continue.
If they block you from sending then they are also blocking you from receiving the update.
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Morac
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Riverside, NJ
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| Re: COMCRAP said by b10010011 :Now here is the problem, if you watch the download will get to 99% and stay there a while. This is because you are required to SHARE a certain amount of the update (That means sending data) before you are allowed to get to 100% complete and continue.. That isn't true, I've downloaded 100% without uploading a single byte. It happened recently so I'm guessing it was caused by the upload blocking.
That said if Comcast users are blocked from uploading then the amount of seeders drops dramatically (since Comcast is the largest ISP in the U.S.). If the number of seeders drops too low, then downloading will be very, very slow.
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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| said by Cheese :They aren't "blocking" you from getting the file from what I am reading, once it's done and you start sending is when this is happening. But that is how BT works. If nobody is allowed to seed, nobody can download, either. That is why it is called file sharing. | |
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dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ | Simple then. cap your download until you've seeded how much you want.
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funchords
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| Re: COMCRAP said by dvd536 :Simple then. cap your download until you've seeded how much you want. This really is a good idea, folks.
For any particular torrent, set your upload limit at 20kB/s, set your download limit to about 15kB/s of this. You should be able to complete your download with a great ratio every time!
The exception might be old torrents that have few peers, but it's always been tough to make a ratio on those -- with or without Comcast's "management" getting in the way.
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| said by Omega :Plus allowing companies to block stuff like this could set a dangerous precedent. What if Comcast suddenly decides that DSLR should be blocked because they have negative articles about the company? [sarcasm]
Corporations can do whatever they want... You don't mean crap and you are subservient to the desires, wishes and profit motives of those companies and to believe otherwise is un-American. So bend over and take it like a good American.
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Okay, I don't believe that, but that is the basis of the arguments in favor of this type of activity by Comcast.
And quit giving upper management ideas... 
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tshirt
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| said by Omega :I play World of Warcraft. Created by a legitimate company (Blizzard), bought and paid for legally. The folks over at Blizzard have determined that the best way to distribute updates for the game is via a client that uses the same protocol as bittorrent. Best?
Or cheapest (for blizzard)? Rather than Blizzard have a large number of high capacity servers, and paying for high capacity connection at peak bandwidth rates, they seed a few hundred/thousand torrents a spread the cost and bandwidth demand to others.
even if comcast is blocking torrents specifically (so far un-PROVEN) I would doubt they know or care about the legality of the content, merely that it is interfering with the operation of their network. | |
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| Re: COMCRAP said by tshirt :Best? Or cheapest (for blizzard)? Rather than Blizzard have a large number of high capacity servers, and paying for high capacity connection at peak bandwidth rates, they seed a few hundred/thousand torrents a spread the cost and bandwidth demand to others. even if comcast is blocking torrents specifically (so far un- PROVEN) I would doubt they know or care about the legality of the content, merely that it is interfering with the operation of their network. You beat me to it (see above) -- you hit the nail right on the head. Good post, especially the part about the ISP not caring about the legality of the files being transferred. Your ISP cannot be held liable for what you do with their service, as long as it's not hosted on their servers. Their only interest is in keeping the network unsaturated.
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| said by tshirt :even if comcast is blocking torrents specifically (so far un- PROVEN) I would doubt they know or care about the legality of the content, merely that it is interfering with the operation of their network. The statement that Bittorrent is "interfering with the operation of their network" is also an "un-PROVEN" statement...
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH | You can sue and get what? a promotional price for service the company offers at most what 5 or 10% off maybe CableTV?
If they don't end up with your house because you spent all your money trying to sue them. | |
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| said by LiberalKing :WILL ALWAYS BE COMCRAP and if cablevision fOllows this fraud ILL SUE THEM As a Cablevision user who uses BT I can state that CV is screwing around with any attempt to run a BT session (even just downloading). For the past week or so, as soon as I attempt to start to do a download, the peers shut down and go inactive. This is not a torrent that I am seeding but one where I have no pieces to seed in the first place. | |
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ARGONAUT
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New Albany, IN | With overloading nodes it's difficult too tell. | |
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sanitarium09
join:2002-09-01
| They'll lie about anything that will effect the bottom line in the same way that they'll cut someone off if they deem them to be using too much bandwidth. They never define "unlimited" because they want you too believe that it is. If anything they should start listing unlimited as "Unlimited*" in their ads. Every corporation that has ever existed is worried about one thing and one thing only, money. | |
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Lordicon
@comcast.net | well..I can't connect to any p2p or torrents....so I'm ditching these bozos. DNS has always been crap and their routing sux. I'm moving soon anyways so I'll go live in an area served by FIoS. | |
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funchords
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Washington, DC | Re: COMCRAP said by Lordicon :
well..I can't connect to any p2p or torrents.... What city are you in? Are others in your city similarly affected? | |
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lordicon72
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