b10010011
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join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
 ·Comcast Formerly ..
4 edits | reply to Cheese
Re: COMCRAP
said by Cheese  :said by Omega :I play World of Warcraft. Created by a legitimate company (Blizzard), bought and paid for legally. The folks over at Blizzard have determined that the best way to distribute updates for the game is via a client that uses the same protocol as bittorrent. So, if I was to have comcast, you are pretty much saying they have every right to block the needed data in order for me to play the game. They aren't "blocking" you from getting the file from what I am reading, once it's done and you start sending is when this is happening. When you upddate WOW through the client it uses bit torrent protocol.
Now here is the problem, if you watch the download will get to 99% and stay there a while. This is because you are required to SHARE a certain amount of the update (That means sending data) before you are allowed to get to 100% complete and continue.
If they block you from sending then they are also blocking you from receiving the update.
Gaming on Comcast is Comcraptic, I had better ping times to game servers ten years ago on dial-up. |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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join:2005-01-03
·CableOne
| reply to Cheese
said by Cheese :They aren't "blocking" you from getting the file from what I am reading, once it's done and you start sending is when this is happening. But that is how BT works. If nobody is allowed to seed, nobody can download, either. That is why it is called file sharing. |
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tshirt
Premium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
·Comcast
| reply to Done_Posting
said by Done_Posting :The Sandvine product is meant to block seeding (uploading after finishing a downloaded torrent), but in reality they also are rate limiting the download side of things too. They may be using a bucket method of rate limiting, or they may simply limit the number of possible connections to something relatively low, like 50 or 100 concurrent connections per modem. That speaks to aspect of the other problem.
from a network management view even if available bandwidth is far less limited as with fiber, a client that persistantly attempt to make dozens to hundreds of connection across multiple ports, looks a lot like worm or DoS activity, something that ISP's have an obligation (morally, if not legally) to block/restrict. |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| reply to LiberalKing
said by LiberalKing :WILL ALWAYS BE COMCRAP and if cablevision fOllows this fraud ILL SUE THEM As a Cablevision user who uses BT I can state that CV is screwing around with any attempt to run a BT session (even just downloading). For the past week or so, as soon as I attempt to start to do a download, the peers shut down and go inactive. This is not a torrent that I am seeding but one where I have no pieces to seed in the first place. |
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funchords
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Washington, DC
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1 edit | reply to Cheese
said by Cheese :said by deletedpost :
she believes bit-torrent = illegal
And if 90 percent of the content wasn't illegal, I don't think Comcast would be doing this, now would they?  Let's see...
2/3rds to 3/4ths of Internet traffic is P2P. All P2P protocols use the TCP/IP protocol to transfer files.
Therefore, by your reasoning, it's okay if Comcast bans the TCP/IP protocol since most of what is carried on it is illegal.
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53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
PwnZone
| reply to Mactron
if its the only broadband option then your out of luck.
this boils down to a network neutrality debate. in the end the power-user like most of us at this site will be alienated and forced to create our own underground network. |
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
·Comcast
| reply to b10010011
said by b10010011 :Now here is the problem, if you watch the download will get to 99% and stay there a while. This is because you are required to SHARE a certain amount of the update (That means sending data) before you are allowed to get to 100% complete and continue.. That isn't true, I've downloaded 100% without uploading a single byte. It happened recently so I'm guessing it was caused by the upload blocking.
That said if Comcast users are blocked from uploading then the amount of seeders drops dramatically (since Comcast is the largest ISP in the U.S.). If the number of seeders drops too low, then downloading will be very, very slow.
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ARGONAUT
got ping?
join:2006-01-24
New Albany, IN | reply to LiberalKing
Re: COMCRAP
With overloading nodes it's difficult too tell. |
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY
| reply to Cheese
It is not whether it is legal or illegal they are doing this because they don't like bittorent since it strains their network. Pirating encourages people to get HSI so why would Comcast want to filter it. Comcast just realized that with bitorrent the law of diminishing returns comes into play. |
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bmn
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join:2001-03-15
hiatus
| reply to tshirt
said by tshirt :even if comcast is blocking torrents specifically (so far un- PROVEN) I would doubt they know or care about the legality of the content, merely that it is interfering with the operation of their network. The statement that Bittorrent is "interfering with the operation of their network" is also an "un-PROVEN" statement...
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formercanuck
@aops-eds.com | reply to Rick
Re: COMCRAP
Gotta love 3rd party DSL resellers like DSL Extreme... no traffic shaping, and any port blocking is listed. |
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gizmopt2002
join:2004-09-10
Fox River Grove, IL | I have a cousin that works there in California. lol. |
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sanitarium09
join:2002-09-01
| reply to LiberalKing
They'll lie about anything that will effect the bottom line in the same way that they'll cut someone off if they deem them to be using too much bandwidth. They never define "unlimited" because they want you too believe that it is. If anything they should start listing unlimited as "Unlimited*" in their ads. Every corporation that has ever existed is worried about one thing and one thing only, money. |
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tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
·Comcast
1 edit | reply to bmn
said by bmn :said by tshirt :even if comcast is blocking torrents specifically (so far un- PROVEN) I would doubt they know or care about the legality of the content, merely that it is interfering with the operation of their network. The statement that Bittorrent is "interfering with the operation of their network" is also an "un- PROVEN" statement... Notice the if (I'm not yet convinced it is happening) In fact I am convinced that ComCast would only choose to do this, if in fact it was interfering with network operations or under legal duress (which I am sure we would have heard about by now.)
The third Problem large numbers of torrents could cause for network operations is the sheer number of connections.
Let's say 2 of CC's 12 million HSI customers are running BT or similar with an average of 50 connections, that's 100 million connections above the normal/expected traffic hitting CC's routers, DNS, CRAN, etc.
If you have been reading the boards here for even a couple years, you might have read about the rapidly rising route congestion, CC routers dropping packets, DNS failing to respond, etc.,etc.
Just like some basic home routers become overwhelmed by excessive connections, so do their big brothers at CC given enough traffic.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ | reply to Cheese
Simple then. cap your download until you've seeded how much you want.
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funchords
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
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| reply to dvd536
Re: COMCRAP
said by dvd536 :Simple then. cap your download until you've seeded how much you want. This really is a good idea, folks.
For any particular torrent, set your upload limit at 20kB/s, set your download limit to about 15kB/s of this. You should be able to complete your download with a great ratio every time!
The exception might be old torrents that have few peers, but it's always been tough to make a ratio on those -- with or without Comcast's "management" getting in the way.
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Are you affected by Comcast's RST forging? How to test it! -or- Read my original report. |
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funchords
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
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| reply to bmn
said by bmn :said by tshirt :even if comcast is blocking torrents specifically (so far un- PROVEN) I would doubt they know or care about the legality of the content, merely that it is interfering with the operation of their network. The statement that Bittorrent is "interfering with the operation of their network" is also an "un- PROVEN" statement... To both of you --
I'm curious what further proof that you feel is needed? Have you read the thread that is linked to my sigline? The evidence is plain -- not to mention that the procedure is clearly spelled out in their patent! |
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