| Two Sides I agree with Comcast throttling and cutting excessive users. It's their network, they have a right to do what they want to it.
However, they should be upfront and open about it. I don't agree with invisible caps, the word "excessive" should be defined and the word "unlimited" should be thrown out if that is not the case.
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kudos:1 | said by texans20:I agree with Comcast throttling and cutting excessive users. It's their network, they have a right to do what they want to it. However, they should be upfront and open about it. I don't agree with invisible caps, the word "excessive" should be defined and the word "unlimited" should be thrown out if that is not the case. The invisible caps I agree with, but they don't use the word unlimited  |
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| said by Cheese:said by texans20:I agree with Comcast throttling and cutting excessive users. It's their network, they have a right to do what they want to it. However, they should be upfront and open about it. I don't agree with invisible caps, the word "excessive" should be defined and the word "unlimited" should be thrown out if that is not the case. The invisible caps I agree with, but they don't use the word unlimited I agree with both of you. Although people need to understand that every service has its limitations (even Verizon's magical FiOS), companies should be completely up front about such limitations.
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kudos:1 | said by Done_Posting:said by Cheese:said by texans20:I agree with Comcast throttling and cutting excessive users. It's their network, they have a right to do what they want to it. However, they should be upfront and open about it. I don't agree with invisible caps, the word "excessive" should be defined and the word "unlimited" should be thrown out if that is not the case. The invisible caps I agree with, but they don't use the word unlimited I agree with both of you. Although people need to understand that every service has its limitations ( even Verizon's magical FiOS), companies should be completely up front about such limitations. - Tate Agreed. |
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 gaforcesUnited We Stand, Divided We Fall
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Santa Cruz, CA | If it gets out that they are throttling torrents, they will lose customers, and less new customers will consider them.
So they lie. |
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 hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium
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kudos:4 | "If it gets out that they are throttling torrents, they will lose customers, and less new customers will consider them.
So they lie"
Actually a discerning customer might chose them once the Hogs are under control.
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said by gaforces:If it gets out that they are throttling torrents, they will lose customers, and less new customers will consider them. So they lie. Customers who max out their connection 24/7 are not wanted by Comcast.
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2 edits | reply to texans20
wrong. Internet access stopped becoming a luxury the day that companies began requiring you to apply for jobs online. Today, Internet is as necessary as water, gas, electricity and telephone.
The Internet should be considered for what it is, a Utility.
As such, it should be regulated just like every other monopoly utility is (electric, etc.).
No one would stand for their telephone or electric or water or gas being "throttled". Why should the Internet be any different?
In many places Internet connectivity is a monopoly. As such, it should be regulated as one. |
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kudos:1 | said by qworster:Internet access stopped becoming a luxury the day that companies began requiring you to apply for jobs online. Today, Internet is as necessary as water, gas, electricity and telephone. The Internet should be considered for what it is, a Utility. As such, it should be regulated just like every other monopoly utility is (electric, etc.). No one would stand for their telephone or electric or water or gas being "throttled". Why should the Internet be any different? In many places the Interent is a monopoly. As such, it should be regulated as one. I don't believe companies require you to apply online. |
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hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium
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Orchard Park, NY
kudos:4 | reply to qworster
said by qworster:Internet access stopped becoming a luxury the day that companies began requiring you to apply for jobs online. Today, Internet is as necessary as water, gas, electricity and telephone. The Internet should be considered for what it is, a Utility. As such, it should be regulated just like every other monopoly utility is (electric, etc.). No one would stand for their telephone or electric or water or gas being "throttled". Why should the Internet be any different? In many places the Interent is a monopoly. As such, it should be regulated as one. Two responses....
Ok, Lets Make DIAL UP the utility. You dont need Broadband to fill out a job application.
But if we were to make Broadband a utility, lets treat it like every other utility. Lets have you pay for what you use..like water and electricity. I for one would be very happy for you to bear the true burden.
Hob
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Stepford, CA | reply to Cheese
said by Cheese:I don't believe companies require you to apply online. 1 - When was the last time you looked for a job?
2 - Go ahead and apply to a job vacancy by sending in your paper resume and then report back here how successful you were.
It's not just the private sector that strongly advise using the Net to communicate. It's all levels of government, as well. And not just for a job. Ever applied for UI or DI?
Note that I refrained from using the word "require," because there are the very few remaining private sector and government entities that do not -as of yet- use that particular word on their web pages, however, for discussion purposes here, they may as well because that is what it is tantamount to. You're just splitting hairs if you want to debate otherwise.
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I know of over a DOZEN companies who DO require you to! Like here:
»www.healthcaresource.com/chla/in···75391c5a |
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hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium
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kudos:4 | Don't libraries have computers to use?
Hob
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4 edits | reply to hobgoblin
Dial up requires a phone line... Tell me, do you have dial up water? How about dial up electricity? Oh I know...ALL your cable TV is dial up pay per view..
C'mon!
Besides, telephone is also mostly "Unlimited", at least for local calls.
Personally, I have no problem with ISPs offering different Internet packages similar to how the phone company prices their telephone service. Nor do I have a problem with a la carte cable.
If you want to meter my cable or Internet usage and we both agree, then there's no problem. Where I have a BIG problem however is when a cable company ADVERTISES unlimited Internet and then puts usage caps on or meters the connection with packet shaping or in other ways.
But..it seems to me that the cable companies want it both ways-one way when it benefits them (as in forcing consumers to buy unwanted cable channels) and another way when it benefits THEM! (as in packet shaping-essentially metering 'unlimited' Internet).
Their hypocracy is NOT lost on me!
Broadband is considered a NECESSITY these days! Why do you think there are so many wireless community projects?
Guess what? It's going to be even MORE a necessity as time goes on.
Finally, most libraries have Internet time limits-some as short as 15 minutes, which is not enough to complete and submit the average online application, and most don't let you attach files, etc., all of which are necessary for successfully submitting said application
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hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium
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kudos:4 | You will never in a million years persuade me that Broadband is a utility. You may have more success with "internet"
There are millions of people in this country that survive quite nicely without Broadband, Millions more who survive without the internet.
Downloading stuff on Bittorrent which is what this discussion is about is not a necessity either.
Hob
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Re: Two Sides said by gaforces:If it gets out that they are throttling torrents, they will lose customers, and less new customers will consider them. So they lie. Or, those customers simply will have no choice but to stay because there is a lack of a better option.
We have Rogers here in Canada as a cable provider and they have been traffic shaping for a good year and a half, maybe more now. And I don't get the sense that they're losing customers at all. |
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Re: Dial up requires a phone line... broadband being a utility? I agree with Hob on this one. You do not require broadband (or the internet) to survive. Electricity? Yes... Phone? Yes (gotta be able to call 911). Broadband isn't a utility by any means. Even if it became a utility service you wouldn't be able to argue that throttling speeds could diminish your quality of life or decrease your chances of survival. Some people need to get over themselves and start to remove their addiction to the internet. Its a sad day when people begin to threaten the lives of others because they can't download "Blades of Glory" in 20 minutes. And to touch on your "(as in forcing consumers to buy unwanted cable channels)" you may want to look in the direction of the programmers. You know, the ones who require carriage contracts that puts their multiple channels on specific tiers to get a decent price. Its either that or pay a much larger amount. Besides, why does all the blame go to cable companies here? Satellite does the same thing.
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Ahrenl
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Re: wrong. said by qworster:...As such, it should be regulated just like every other monopoly utility is (electric, etc.). No one would stand for their telephone or electric or water or gas being "throttled". Why should the Internet be any different? Actually the internet is regulated (see wireline monopolies) just not to the consumers advantage. Also other utilities ARE "throttled" in a way. Electricity rates can fluctuate depending on the time of day, Natural gas rates increase once you reach a certain monthly threshold... At least where I live. |
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