dalesd
join:2003-12-18
Walpole, MA
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August 26th, @07:18PM
| Am I ready for my Fios install?
I did my research, and I think I'm ready. August 28 is my big day.
Here's the before picture:
»www.flickr.com/photos/dalesd/1242977108/
And here's the after:
»www.flickr.com/photos/dalesd/1242119509/
So I have an outlet nearby, and a nice easy place to mount the equipment. I also have Cat5e cable there that tuns up to my computer room on the 2nd floor.
Fios TV isn't available in my area. There is no word on if/when it will be.
We're a DirecTV house, so I don't have any available coax lines in the house.
I hope this will be enough incentive for the installation tech to hook me up with Ethernet to the Actiontec router, so I can easily replace it with my Linksys WRT54GS (with DD-WRT). |
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MPSAN
join:2001-05-15
Portland, OR
| Hey we are getting it here as well on Aug 28th. We are going to get FIOSTV in a few more Months so I guess we will have it connected via Coax. I use my WRT54GS now as a WAP, and will turn off the Wireless in the Actiontec. I hope the techs know the POP3 settings and SMTP server and NNTP settings as I don't need/want the Verizon Software. |
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john97
Over The Hills And Far Away
join:2000-11-14
Southampton, PA
 ·Verizon FIOS
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MPSAN has the right idea. Just use your own router as a WAP if you feel the need. You will need the Actiontec with TV service, regardless of whether or not they give you a CAT5 or coax connection from the ONT. unless you can get a NIM, that is. But, what if your installing tech doesn't have a NIM? Mine didn't, which is why he replaced the D-Link with an Actiontec. I had internet for over a year before TV was available, and the Actiontec didn't exist back then so of course I have a CAT5 install. But, they of course had to run coax to the Actiontec at the time of the TV install.
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I'm the only person here who isn't asking about using another router in place of the Actiontec for no good reason. |
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MPSAN
join:2001-05-15
Portland, OR
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August 26th, @07:21PM
| John97. Did you keep the Actiontec as 192.168.1.1? My whole network is based on 192.168.123.1 TO 20 my current router as .254. I wonder if I can make the Actiontec 123.254? I know I can but had heard that for FIOSTV you can't and others say yes you can and even plug an existing router into a Actiontec lan port is OK!
I just noticed on the verizon.net site they show the email, news and where to put web pages. I hope this is true for FIOS. |
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dalesd
join:2003-12-18
Walpole, MA
| reply to john97
said by john97  :MPSAN has the right idea. Just use your own router as a WAP if you feel the need. You will need the Actiontec with TV service, regardless of whether or not they give you a CAT5 or coax connection from the ONT. unless you can get a NIM, that is. But, what if your installing tech doesn't have a NIM? Mine didn't, which is why he replaced the D-Link with an Actiontec. I had internet for over a year before TV was available, and the Actiontec didn't exist back then so of course I have a CAT5 install. But, they of course had to run coax to the Actiontec at the time of the TV install. FIOS TV isn't available in my town, and there's no word if/when it ever will be.
I'm not thrilled with the Actiontec based on the reviews. The P2P capability is very poor.
»www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/···0022/51/
I also don't like that I can't control it. VZ can push a firmware change without my permission or knowledge. I don't want something on my network that's not under my control.
If VZ ever does get around to TV service in my town, we can deal with it then. |
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MPSAN
join:2001-05-15
Portland, OR | ...so you can always use the Actiontec as a bridge. Look for that here on the forum as well. |
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KA3SGM
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join:2006-01-17
West Chester, PA
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| reply to dalesd
dalesd, Looks good, AC outlets and all.
Just make sure they have a close by ground point accessible, water pipe or the Electric service ground. The ONT needs a solid ground connection, the AC outlet ground is not considered good enough.
Technically, the Gas line is good too, but I hate to use it unless it is a last ditch source. GAS+ELECTRICITY=????
Make sure all ground points in the home are tied together, and you have copper jumpers run over the gas meter, or any kind of PVC piping between the ONT and the actual ground point.
Good Luck!!!
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dalesd
join:2003-12-18
Walpole, MA
| said by KA3SGM :dalesd, Looks good, AC outlets and all. Just make sure they have a close by ground point accessible, water pipe or the Electric service ground. The ONT needs a solid ground connection, the AC outlet ground is not considered good enough. Thanks, KA3SGM. Yup, the main ground for the electrical panel is just a few feet to the left. |
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john97
Over The Hills And Far Away
join:2000-11-14
Southampton, PA
·Verizon FIOS
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August 27th, @02:28PM
| reply to MPSAN
said by MPSAN :John97. Did you keep the Actiontec as 192.168.1.1? My whole network is based on 192.168.123.1 TO 20 my current router as .254. I wonder if I can make the Actiontec 123.254? I know I can but had heard that for FIOSTV you can't and others say yes you can and even plug an existing router into a Actiontec lan port is OK! I just noticed on the verizon.net site they show the email, news and where to put web pages. I hope this is true for FIOS. Yes, I am using 192.168.1.1 and the STB's start at 192.168.1.100.
I don't know about changing the address range as you describe. |
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MPSAN
join:2001-05-15
Portland, OR
| said by john97 :said by MPSAN :John97. Did you keep the Actiontec as 192.168.1.1? My whole network is based on 192.168.123.1 TO 20 my current router as .254. I wonder if I can make the Actiontec 123.254? I know I can but had heard that for FIOSTV you can't and others say yes you can and even plug an existing router into a Actiontec lan port is OK! I just noticed on the verizon.net site they show the email, news and where to put web pages. I hope this is true for FIOS. Yes, I am using 192.168.1.1 and the STB's start at 192.168.1.100. I don't know about changing the address range as you describe. OK, I think I will just let Verizon install with the defaults. |
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SqueeksDad
I Miss Her
Premium
join:2002-09-14
Silver Spring, MD
clubs:
·Verizon FIOS
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to MPSAN
said by MPSAN :John97. Did you keep the Actiontec as 192.168.1.1? My whole network is based on 192.168.123.1 TO 20 my current router as .254. I wonder if I can make the Actiontec 123.254? I am not an expert by any stretch and it did take me about three hours of cussing, but I finally have my Linksys (DD-WRT modded) as the first in line giving out addresses in 10.231.220.x the Actiontec is plugged into the linksys and is getting an IP of 10.231.220.100. This is a CAT 5 install by the way from the ONT. My STB's all work and pull VOD and guide just fine.
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dalesd
join:2003-12-18
Walpole, MA
| said by SqueeksDad :I am not an expert by any stretch and it did take me about three hours of cussing, but I finally have my Linksys (DD-WRT modded) as the first in line giving out addresses in 10.231.220.x the Actiontec is plugged into the linksys and is getting an IP of 10.231.220.100. This is a CAT 5 install by the way from the ONT. My STB's all work and pull VOD and guide just fine. That's a novel way to do it. Good work!
I just put two coats of primer on the plywood. I'm going to put a finish coat of semi-gloss white on there next.
Tomorrow's the big day.  |
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proletarian
join:2007-01-08
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| reply to KA3SGM
said by KA3SGM :dalesd, Looks good, AC outlets and all. Just make sure they have a close by ground point accessible, water pipe or the Electric service ground. The ONT needs a solid ground connection, the AC outlet ground is not considered good enough. The new "just inside" onts solely use the ac outlet ground. |
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MPSAN
join:2001-05-15
Portland, OR
| Well, tomorrow is supposed to be my big day as well. HOWEVER, the group who was supposed to bury the fiber were no-shows Friday and never came today after 3 calls from Customer service telling them to get here and call me. So, any bets that my FIOS install tommorow will take place? It is supposed to be after noon so it gives the "no-shows" all morning to connect the Fiber to my house!
I may start with the default settings! |
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KA3SGM
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join:2006-01-17
West Chester, PA
clubs:
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to proletarian
said by proletarian :said by KA3SGM :dalesd, Looks good, AC outlets and all. Just make sure they have a close by ground point accessible, water pipe or the Electric service ground. The ONT needs a solid ground connection, the AC outlet ground is not considered good enough. The new "just inside" onts solely use the ac outlet ground. There is still a ground lug on that ONT, and I highly advise that they use it.
Figure, this guy did a good setup job. I don't know how many shoddy electrical outlets are out there that have a poor or non-existent ground connection. You can't trust the outlet for a good system ground, just a hopefully reliable 'safety' ground.
What happens with the GFCI outlets in the basement?? ONT keeps tripping the GFI due to power surges???
Why is the phone always dead, huh??
Personally, I see basements as always being damp places. There should ALWAYS be a GFCI if there is a damp place.
There are no 'just inside' ONT's, it's the same ONT only without the weatherproof housing on it.
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proletarian
join:2007-01-08
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| said by KA3SGM :There is still a ground lug on that ONT, and I highly advise that they use it. There are no 'just inside' ONT's, it's the same ONT only without the weatherproof housing on it. Sure, it's a misnomer of sorts as the "just inside" ont is actually a special power supply and the ont is the same. The power supply has a ground extension that is designed to attach to the ground lug on the ont. |
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dalesd
join:2003-12-18
Walpole, MA
edit:
September 8th, @11:47AM
| reply to dalesd
I uploaded a few more pictures. I would like to add these to the OP, but the edit link is gone. Oh well.
This one shows my plywood board all painted up and ready for the installer to show up.
»www.flickr.com/photos/dalesd/1347265198/
This one was taken just today. It shows the ONT, the Actiontec router and my Linksys router.
»www.flickr.com/photos/dalesd/1346376109/
The Actiontec is disconnected from my home network and powered down. The coax is still connected to the Actiontec and ONT, but that has been shut off by verizon. It's just there because it's an easy way to store things in case I ever need it again.
The initial installation was over Coax, but I called vz tech support later the same day of the installation and had it changed over to Ethernet. This made it trivial to take the Actiontec out of service. (Just remember to release the DHCP address before disconnecting it.) |
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techanon
@verizon.net
| reply to KA3SGM
QUOTE "Technically, the Gas line is good too, but I hate to use it unless it is a last ditch source. GAS+ELECTRICITY=????" /QUOTE
KA3SGM, you are an idiot for even saying that the gas line is a good place to ground something too. It is NOT acceptable to use the gas line for a ground. Please do not suggest such things (or anything else that is so stupid) ever again.
If you would like to speak technically, any telco services are BONDED to the existing electrical service in the house using the proper clamp and 10 gauge ground wire. Simply pounding in a grounding rod is not good enough.
And OBTW, as proletarion mentioned there IS such a thing as a Just Inside ONT. It is considered properly grounded when plugged into a properly wired AC outlet. The OP has a picture of one. |
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Telcoguru
Premium
join:2005-08-22
Fresh Meadows, NY | reply to dalesd
Nice. I see you got the new power supply and battery backup unit on top of your 612 ONT. It must have been a piece of cake for the installer. |
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KA3SGM
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Premium
join:2006-01-17
West Chester, PA
clubs:
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to techanon
said by techanon :
QUOTE "Technically, the Gas line is good too, but I hate to use it unless it is a last ditch source. GAS+ELECTRICITY=????" /QUOTE
KA3SGM, you are an idiot for even saying that the gas line is a good place to ground something too. It is NOT acceptable to use the gas line for a ground. Please do not suggest such things (or anything else that is so stupid) ever again.
If you would like to speak technically, any telco services are BONDED to the existing electrical service in the house using the proper clamp and 10 gauge ground wire. Simply pounding in a grounding rod is not good enough.
And OBTW, as proletarion mentioned there IS such a thing as a Just Inside ONT. It is considered properly grounded when plugged into a properly wired AC outlet. The OP has a picture of one.
techanon, you mis-understand what I said.
Gas and Electrical codes MANDATE that the Gas line be grounded.
You don't want to ground the ONT, or anything for that matter to the gas line.
But the electrical service ground wire connection would serve as a last chance ground connection.
To connect to the ground wire going to the gas pipe, not the gas pipe itself.
It goes hand in hand with the necessity of running a ground jumper across a plastic water filter housing, which 99% of the water filters installed don't have.
PVC/CPVC plumbing being the exception...
All grounds in or around the home MUST be tied together, all to a common point.
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