Rick
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Waterbury, CT
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| I have never in my life
seen anyone complain of being booted for downloading only 35gigs in a month.
300 gigs..that's a different story.
Isn't someone who downloads that much and expects Comcast to give it to them for 43 bucks a month similar to someone who visits an "all you can eat" chinese buffet for lunch..and proceeds to attach a chain to the back of their pickup..and the restaurants buffet table..and proceeds to drag the whole counter home with them?
But then, they come back and say.."but you told me it was all I could eat."
Seriously, can we get real here? 300 gigs..in a month.
No isp owes that to anyone for these kinds of prices and comcasts tos clearly says that if you affect their network to the detriment of other users..they can cut you off.
And, I'm glad they do that..for the benefit of those of us who don't abuse the network like that.
Many people have other options. Get cable and a backup DSL line. Use both if you think you're going to come close to these limits.
Or, pay for a T1 line. Cough up the few hundred a month and pay for what it is you're asking for.
I seriously think that BBR should put an end to this continual nonsense about this issue. And recognize that for 43.00 a month..no isp has an obligation to give someone that much usage.
300 gigs a month. Many of us won't use that in our entire LIFETIMES.
Much less in one month.
Can we get real?
Thanks.
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nklb
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| $43/month? all told, I pay around $63 each month and that's for just the cable internet connection and no tv.
It's a shame there are no competitors in my market. Comcast is very unreliable and expensive here, but it is my only option.
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N3OGH
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Bad analogy.
The Chinese buffet is described as "all you can eat" and not as "all you can take.
Now, if I get there at 9 AM, and gorge myself all day long, and stay until they close, there really isn't anything they can do.
If after 4 or 5 hours, they come over and give me the boot, I'm gonna be a little pissed....
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Rick
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| said by N3OGH  :If after 4 or 5 hours, they come over and give me the boot, I'm gonna be a little pissed.... lol..that's truly hysterical.
Do you often sit at all you can eat buffets for 5 hours?
And, the analogy is a perfect one IMO.
For someone to even come close to downloading 300gigs per month, It's as if they're sitting at that buffet for 10 hours a day.
Again, we need to get real here and realize that no company owes this much to a customer for these kinds of prices.
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Rick
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| reply to nklb
said by nklb :$43/month? all told, I pay around $63 each month and that's for just the cable internet connection and no tv. It's a shame there are no competitors in my market. Comcast is very unreliable and expensive here, but it is my only option. You have the option of lowering that bill to 43.00. It's your choice that you don't.
And, even if it is 63.00 honestly, do you think that 2.00 a day is too much to ask for a company to provide you with all this connectivity at these kinds of speeds?
2.00 a day barely covers the cost of a soda these days.
This is one of the biggest values in the market today IMO.
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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| reply to Rick
I think very few people really have an issue with Comcast clamping on 300GB/month usage. The problem is the limit isn't specified anywhere, so what really constitutes abuse? 10GB? 100GB? 1000GB?
That said, I'm not really a fan of the hard caps that people seem to be clamoring for. When they do get set, they're usually ridiculously low (see Cox for example and their 40GB limit).
That's why I much prefer automated FAP/traffic shaping systems to control bandwidth consumption if it's necessary. Then users can't walk out with the whole buffet, yet the end user doesn't need to worry about getting natsy phone calls. |
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GOLFnSUN
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| reply to N3OGH
said by N3OGH :Bad analogy. The Chinese buffet is described as "all you can eat" and not as "all you can take. Now, if I get there at 9 AM, and gorge myself all day long, and stay until they close, there really isn't anything they can do. If after 4 or 5 hours, they come over and give me the boot, I'm gonna be a little pissed.... And that is exactly what most of those places do. Even "all you can eat" has limits.
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Princeton, NJ | My father once went to an "all-you-can-eat" restaurant with a rather corpulent friend. When the friend went back for fourths, the cook served him and said, "And THAT is all you can eat." |
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major marco
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| reply to Rick
said by Rick :300 gigs a month. Many of us won't use that in our entire LIFETIMES. Much less in one month. Can we get real? Thanks. I'm glad that you chose to appoint yourself as universal speaker for everyone under every circumstance, Rick. Just because you personally do not ever foresee yourself using 300 gigs does not mean that nobody else ever will. It largely depends on personal circumstances and/or employment.
Secondly, if Comcrap doesn't want complaints then they should stop advertising the service as an all-you-can-eat buffet, and, instead inject some truth in advertising:
Comcast: Secret bandwidth caps based entirely on subjective and arbitrary conditions.
The day ISPs like Comcrap start that advertising campaign and including it in the AUP in specific terms is the day you can appoint yourself universal speaker for broadband.
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Cabal
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| reply to N3OGH
said by N3OGH :Bad analogy. The Chinese buffet is described as "all you can eat" and not as "all you can take. Now, if I get there at 9 AM, and gorge myself all day long, and stay until they close, there really isn't anything they can do. If after 4 or 5 hours, they come over and give me the boot, I'm gonna be a little pissed.... You don't really exist, right? I'm starting to lose all hope for society.
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Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| reply to Rick
maybe you need to get real... ever heard of the phrase, "truth in advertising"...? if any isp says they have unlimited (and unasterisked) usage, then it is what it is... the presumption that you don't think someone should have 300gb of downloads or hell, even uploads is none of your concern... if comcast offers it and someone takes advantage of it, then what is the issue...? also, it's none of your business what someone does with their internet account now is it mrs. cravetts...? |
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ComcastStinks
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| reply to nklb
I was in the same boat as you paying $61.95 a month for internet only with Comcast. .....But life got better as soon as I got traded to time warner. The price got lowered to $44.95 and the speed increased to 7M/512! Ahhhhh,Life is better without Concast! |
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N3OGH
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| reply to Cabal
Yes, I really do exist. I also venture a guess I've done more for society in the past 10 years than you have, but I don't know you, so I won't sling arrows your way.
Like I'm actually sitting in a restaurant someplace eating for 5 hours. I believe this is the point of the discussion where I slap my forehead and say DUH.
I stand by my statement that his analogy was a bad one. He compares chaining a pickup truck to a buffet and dragging it off, to abusing your broadband internet connection.
One is a blatant, overt theft (The chain and truck thing). The other is a matter of semantics and judgement that changes from system to system.
Look, I'm not bashing Comcast. I'm not a heavy user of my internet connection, and if I download 2 songs from iTunes a month, that was a heavy month for me.
But, everyone knows it's illegal to drag a buffet away with a chain and a truck. Everyone KNOWS it's theft. Comcast doesn't tell you what the cap is, so until you violate it, you don't know.
Now if Comcast set a limit, told you not to cross it, and you repeatedly did, well then shame on you. You were forewarned and you did as you shouldn't.
Comcast has every right to regulate the use of their private network and to be sure a select few individuals aren't ruining the experience for everyone else.
But, you can't punish people for breaking rules you don't lay down. The cops can't write you a speeding ticket where the limit isn't clearly posted (in PA at least). If it's not in the contract, they can't hold you to it.'
Clearly spell it out, and put it in the contract. Then come down like a sack of rocks on the ones that don't do as they are told.
It's as easy as that...
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SkellBasher
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join:2000-10-22
North Tonawanda, NY
| reply to Rick
If Comcast (or any provider for that matter) cannot support the bandwidth allocations that they sell, they need to revisit what exactly it is they are selling.
Telling people they have an 8Mb pipe is ludicrous if they cannot use it.
You pontificate that 300GB/month is excessive. Let's do some math.
An 8Mb pipe transfers roughly 1MB of data each second. So, to reach 300GB, it will take 307,200 seconds at full transfer rate, about 3.5 days.
Taking a month of 30 days, that's 720 hours, 43,200 minutes, or 2,592,000 seconds.
That says that if you fully used that 8Mb pipe for 11.85% of the time available to you, you'd pull 300GB of data.
Can Comcast users then only pay 11.85% of their bill? I doubt it.
Residential ISPs historically oversell bandwidth on the assumption that not everyone is using it at a given time. Dial-up ISPs have ranged from 16-1 to 8-1 , depending on the company and when you looked. I don't know what our number was in the Adelphia days, but I'm pretty sure it was less than 8-1.
Comcast had two choices. They could have lowered their maximum per connection speed down from 8Mb to a level more consistent with the engineered capabilities of their network. This would have precluded the need for these arbitrary transfer limits. The other choice was advertise this wonderful 8Mb service, and give people shit about it if they happened to be in the minority of customers who tried to use what they are paying for.
They chose the latter.
I won't dispute that $50 for a home residential pipe is a good deal. When breaking it out on a per Mb basis, I pay significantly more on any of my OC's or DS3s. I also don't question Comcast's right to put controls in place to prevent users from becoming a detriment to other subscribers. (Although I strongly disagree with their flat out blocking of Bittorrent on the false assumption that all BT traffic is illegal P2P.)
However, Comcast is irresponsible by advertising and signing up people for a service that has restrictions which are not disclosed until after someone is a customer, and by not clearly defining those restrictions at any point.
This is no different than a dealer putting restrictions on a vehicle after the contracts have been signed, or speed limit signs with question marks on your local highways.
Their non-specific , non-disclosed transfer limits will never stand up in court if they are ever challenged, since a consumer cannot be held responsible for terms of usage that aren't defined. (IE, you can't break a law if the law isn't spelled out.)
Your assertion that 300GB a month is more than one would use 'in a lifetime' is absurd. The internet is content; spend a couple of hours with a college kid spending time on Facebook and Youtube, and see how much data gets moved. It adds up faster than you think. |
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Nightfall
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Grand Rapids, MI
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| reply to Asmodeus
said by Asmodeus :maybe you need to get real... ever heard of the phrase, "truth in advertising"...? if any isp says they have unlimited (and unasterisked) usage, then it is what it is... the presumption that you don't think someone should have 300gb of downloads or hell, even uploads is none of your concern... if comcast offers it and someone takes advantage of it, then what is the issue...? also, it's none of your business what someone does with their internet account now is it mrs. cravetts...? Comcast has not advertised unlimited internet usage for over 3 years now. |
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Nightfall
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| reply to SkellBasher
I agree Skellbasher.
Since the @home days, the public has had a thirst for bandwidth and high speed internet. This is why broadband has been growing slowly through the years. Today, it is all about more.
In the cell phone industry, it is all about more minutes or free unlimited incoming or unlimited data.
In the automotive industry, its about MPG or how fast the car can go and how it can control around those turns. Keep in mind that you can only go so fast on residential highways.
In the broadband industry, its all about the speed of the line. Unlimited has been removed from almost every major provider out there because of P2P and Torrents that run 24/7 on people's computers.
Now, if any broadband provider says there is a bandwidth limit per month, that would be tantamount to suicide because a lot of people have other options. So, instead of saying there is a limit, they will just plod along and hit those people who are using a lot of bandwidth.
I haven't seen a lot of bandwidth warnings to be honest. Most of the warnings I see are P2P related offenses. So which are there more of? I think if you take a look at the complaints, you will see MANY more warnings about P2P than people who are downloading 300gb in a night. |
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braynes
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Waterville, ME
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| reply to Rick
Hey RR how it going?
In most cases I am in agreement with you, What in your Opinion
is CC obligation to the Billing Account under the "TOS".(Please do not tell me to read it I asked for Opinion.
Thanks Bruce
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TheGhost
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Lake Forest, IL
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| reply to Rick
said by Rick :said by nklb :$43/month? all told, I pay around $63 each month and that's for just the cable internet connection and no tv. It's a shame there are no competitors in my market. Comcast is very unreliable and expensive here, but it is my only option. You have the option of lowering that bill to 43.00. It's your choice that you don't. And, even if it is 63.00 honestly, do you think that 2.00 a day is too much to ask for a company to provide you with all this connectivity at these kinds of speeds? 2.00 a day barely covers the cost of a soda these days. This is one of the biggest values in the market today IMO. Option to "lower" only if you subscribe to cable TV, which costs another $50-$75 a month. BTW, I consistenly ding phone companies for requiring phone service as well. |
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xrobertcmx
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Sterling, VA
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| reply to Rick
I don't think the complaint is that they kick people off for massive usage. In my case at least, the complaint is that they won't say what the limit is. I have Comcast, until FIOS is installed, and yes, I download stuff. Not a lot, but enough that I worry about it.
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Thaler
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| reply to Rick
said by Rick :300 gigs a month. Many of us won't use that in our entire LIFETIMES. Many porn collections would beg to differ. |
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