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TheOneFiber

@verizon.net

reply to Rick
Re: I have never in my life

As stated by so many people, the amount of bandwidth usage is highly dependant on what your form of employment, and conditions at home are. I work from home....and as such I have 3 computers and 2 servers on 1 network running through a 6th computer to monitor use among other things. Depending on what I'm doing, I might use 16gb in a day, or 16 mb of bandwith. I personally think Comcasts service is craptastic due to the fact that it's overpriced; $70 for what I got, plain ol' internet access, and a top speed of actually 3mb/s, not the advertised 7, which was the reason I switched to fiber.


lt_wentoncha
Red6

join:2002-05-12
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reply to Nightfall
said by Nightfall See Profile :

said by lt_wentoncha See Profile :

So then they should post their caps, by regional market, if necessary. How hard is it to put together a page to do that?
What does this have to do with people saying the Comcast advertises "Unlimited" service and yet not an ounce of proof has been shown to substantiate it?

I am all for Comcast revealing these caps. I am sure people from other ISPs who have gotten bandwidth warning letters would like to see the same responses from their respective providers as well. This is far deeper than just a Comcast issue.
I'm not sure why you're still hung up on the issue. The way I see it, they've advertised that they were unlimited for a while. They stopped advertising that as you've mentioned, but don't advertise the fact that it is indeed limited. Perhaps they don't want to clarify the presence of caps fr fear of loss of revenue, but if they were as zealous about clarifying their caps as they were about their unlimited service in the past these complaints wouldn't keep popping up. So this will continue to be a perennial issue until Comcast or any other ISP with caps clarifies their policies. Until then, see you next week in another ISP hidden cap complaint thread.
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
·Site5.com
·AT&T Midwest
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reply to lt_wentoncha
said by lt_wentoncha See Profile :

So then they should post their caps, by regional market, if necessary. How hard is it to put together a page to do that?
What does this have to do with people saying the Comcast advertises "Unlimited" service and yet not an ounce of proof has been shown to substantiate it?

I am all for Comcast revealing these caps. I am sure people from other ISPs who have gotten bandwidth warning letters would like to see the same responses from their respective providers as well. This is far deeper than just a Comcast issue.


Budo7
Budo7
Premium
join:2005-03-22
Edgewater, MD
·Verizon FIOS

reply to djrobx
Some months I go over 300 gigs, and others maybe 3 gigs. It depends on what I am doing. I do some stuff for a game company, and when we are hot and heavy into testing, I may download a new build each night, at 2-5 gigs a night. As with most things, they come in 3 so when I am testing it is usually 3 games at onces. So I can go over 450 a month. I have lol however I have never been cut off, nor have I gotten a letter.
I may have 1 month in 3 that I download that much, but it happens. So I have no complaints with Comacast.


yulek

join:2000-12-25
Alameda, CA
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reply to Rick
said by Rick See Profile :

300 gigs a month. Many of us won't use that in our entire LIFETIMES.

Much less in one month.

Can we get real?
check out amazon's s3 service and jungledisk and others who use it. i back up to jungledisk. i have 50GB of data that i backed up to jungledisk (photos and music (legit, thank you) mostly). a full backup to jungledisk would be 400Gbs. oops.


AnotherGuy

@york.com

reply to N3OGH
How is the consumer expected to keep their usage non-abusive if they don't have a definition of abuse? For the people who would define abuse as "That which causes degradation for other users", how exactly do you accomplish non-abusive use? I can tell you how I attempt to do this. I run QoS to throttle my connection back to the point where I only occasionally add 1 millisecond of latency between my cable modem and anything else. I Ping my gateway, ping Yahoo, and I am not adding latency for myself. This way, I should see the impact of my usage before any one else would.

Responsible traffic shaping at the ISP would be difficult to even notice, and would end my need to throttle my connection, which I only do to be sure I am not dragging the neighborhood down. I am a responsible netizen.

The definition of abuse needs to be stated by the ISP. If it is stated as something similar to "Don't negatively impact other users", and I am doing everything that can be done on this end of the wire to be sure I am not abusive per their definition, I should have nothing to worry about, right?

I did about 80GB of transfer this month, and I put in real effort to make sure that my usage doesn't impact anyone negatively, using everything I can use on my end of the wire. Someone tell me, am I abusing my connection? If so, explain to me how I would go about knowing if I was abusing it, beyond what I am already doing.

And why should I bother when my ISP won't help?


lt_wentoncha
Red6

join:2002-05-12
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reply to Nightfall
said by Nightfall See Profile :

said by Thaler See Profile :

said by Nightfall See Profile :

Once again....is there any link or print advertisement that shows that Comcast HSI is unlimited in anyway? Even reading their TOS clearly states that it isn't "unlimited".
Talk to any internet provider's sales, with or without caps. Its almost damn near reflexive for them to include "unlimited" with the bundle description. All I know is everywhere I've gone, speeds aren't advertised, but the introductory rate (along with the "unlimited") are as well. Wish I could find something for ya, but its almost harder to find big boards without the unlimited toting around our area.
Point is that I haven't seen a sign touting "unlimited" broadband in quite some time. Especially from Comcast, who I remember back in 2001 or 2002 would advertise it. Since then, nothing.

Yet there are boatloads of people here claiming they are still advertising it and that Comcast is made of up a bunch of lying bitches. Well, I haven't seen a lick of proof of a single ad that has come out in the last 4 years that has advertised "unlimited" broadband internet for Comcast.
So then they should post their caps, by regional market, if necessary. How hard is it to put together a page to do that?
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
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join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
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reply to Thaler
said by Thaler See Profile :

said by Nightfall See Profile :

Once again....is there any link or print advertisement that shows that Comcast HSI is unlimited in anyway? Even reading their TOS clearly states that it isn't "unlimited".
Talk to any internet provider's sales, with or without caps. Its almost damn near reflexive for them to include "unlimited" with the bundle description. All I know is everywhere I've gone, speeds aren't advertised, but the introductory rate (along with the "unlimited") are as well. Wish I could find something for ya, but its almost harder to find big boards without the unlimited toting around our area.
Point is that I haven't seen a sign touting "unlimited" broadband in quite some time. Especially from Comcast, who I remember back in 2001 or 2002 would advertise it. Since then, nothing.

Yet there are boatloads of people here claiming they are still advertising it and that Comcast is made of up a bunch of lying bitches. Well, I haven't seen a lick of proof of a single ad that has come out in the last 4 years that has advertised "unlimited" broadband internet for Comcast.

Thaler
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA

reply to Nightfall
said by Nightfall See Profile :

Once again....is there any link or print advertisement that shows that Comcast HSI is unlimited in anyway? Even reading their TOS clearly states that it isn't "unlimited".
Talk to any internet provider's sales, with or without caps. Its almost damn near reflexive for them to include "unlimited" with the bundle description. All I know is everywhere I've gone, speeds aren't advertised, but the introductory rate (along with the "unlimited") are as well. Wish I could find something for ya, but its almost harder to find big boards without the unlimited toting around our area.


Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
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join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
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reply to Thaler
said by Thaler See Profile :

said by lt_wentoncha See Profile :

Well, to end this "continual nonsense" Comcast should just publish their caps limits.
But then in doing so, their unlimited bragging rights go out the window. As much as they'd like to play semantics with unlimited access vs. use, if people see clear caps, they see it as "not really unlimited".
Once again....is there any link or print advertisement that shows that Comcast HSI is unlimited in anyway? Even reading their TOS clearly states that it isn't "unlimited".

Thaler
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA

reply to lt_wentoncha
said by lt_wentoncha See Profile :

Well, to end this "continual nonsense" Comcast should just publish their caps limits.
But then in doing so, their unlimited bragging rights go out the window. As much as they'd like to play semantics with unlimited access vs. use, if people see clear caps, they see it as "not really unlimited".


lt_wentoncha
Red6

join:2002-05-12
000000
reply to Rick
Well, to end this "continual nonsense" Comcast should just publish their caps limits.

Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ

reply to Rick
well they should specify what excessive use is then, running torrents pinned out constantly(legal or illegal ones) is clearly more transfer then someone running 3 wow accounts, ventrilo and 128kbit netradio stream 18hrs a day.
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Nightfall
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·Site5.com
·AT&T Midwest
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reply to kinglou0
said by kinglou0 See Profile :

said by Nightfall See Profile :

said by Asmodeus See Profile :

maybe you need to get real... ever heard of the phrase, "truth in advertising"...? if any isp says they have unlimited (and unasterisked) usage, then it is what it is... the presumption that you don't think someone should have 300gb of downloads or hell, even uploads is none of your concern... if comcast offers it and someone takes advantage of it, then what is the issue...? also, it's none of your business what someone does with their internet account now is it mrs. cravetts...?
Comcast has not advertised unlimited internet usage for over 3 years now.
Bull crap, the most recent promotion(s) advertising high speed says unlimited. The commercial is the ones featuring the roommates who schedule their internet time because they 're on DSL. During the ad, Comcast mentions it being unlimited service.
If Comcast wants to be weasels, why don't they just start saying unlimited access not service?
Link to proof in writing please.

notwrth10

join:2007-03-03
1001EB

reply to Rick
I stopped at the title folks, besides he needs to work on that bit torrent throttling his employer decided to implement.

I am going to guess it was a big payday for Rick See Profile when they implemented that?

Said at team meeting:

big boss: "So rick, we just throttle this bit-torrent thing and our bandwidth problems go away?"

rick: Yes sir

big boss: thank you rick, you have always served us well. Here have this bonus on us!

rick: pleasure doing business with you!


djrobx

join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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·AT&T U-Verse
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·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable

reply to SkellBasher
Why do Linux ISOs always come up in this argument?

Even if you downloaded 4 different full DVDR images of different distros to test with that's only around 16GB of data for the week.

Most of the linux distros I've played with are "net-live" which means I download a CD size image that installs enough of the OS to get going, with the rest downloaded from the Internet on-demand. Seems a lot more efficient than downloading a full DVD image just to try out a distro.

Even Windows Vista in all of its bloated glory doesn't consume a full DVD!


LeftOfSanity

join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE

reply to soldatenhund
said by soldatenhund :

Actually it is a bad analogy. This very thing happened to a friend's football team. They were eating at a chinese buffet on Dundas just south of Erin Mills in Mississauga.

The owners told them to leave, they refused, he called the cops. The cops showed up and asked what the problem was after which he told the manager never to call him for that again and to let them finish eating.

If you advertise a service and then can't provide it, that is called false advertising and is a poorly constructed business model. You don't blame the consumer because YOU didn't believe , think it would be used to its fullest or more importantly plan on honouring your advertisement which oddly enough seems to be acceptable practice. Lie to people them blame them for following through on YOUR promise.
Link to local paper article or I call BS


LeftOfSanity

join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE

reply to kinglou0
said by kinglou0 See Profile :

said by Nightfall See Profile :

said by Asmodeus See Profile :

maybe you need to get real... ever heard of the phrase, "truth in advertising"...? if any isp says they have unlimited (and unasterisked) usage, then it is what it is... the presumption that you don't think someone should have 300gb of downloads or hell, even uploads is none of your concern... if comcast offers it and someone takes advantage of it, then what is the issue...? also, it's none of your business what someone does with their internet account now is it mrs. cravetts...?
Comcast has not advertised unlimited internet usage for over 3 years now.
Bull crap, the most recent promotion(s) advertising high speed says unlimited. The commercial is the ones featuring the roommates who schedule their internet time because they 're on DSL. During the ad, Comcast mentions it being unlimited service.
If Comcast wants to be weasels, why don't they just start saying unlimited access not service?
must be your market. Pics please or it didn't happen.


LeftOfSanity

join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE

reply to At Work
said by At Work :

Huh? All this connectivity? That's what they're there for... Connectivity... Gone are the days of 1 computer in the house. Now people have multiple computers, Xboxes, iTunes, WoW, PSP, DS, and all the other network devices pulling data off of one home connection. This is the future. "Connectivity" is not a wonderous thing. It is a commodity, and the providers are scared that people think of it this way. It's not magic, nor is it special. Sorry "Comcast" Rick!
Thats like saying, i just hooked up my light system (for my legal Linux Distro's, errr I mean my legal TOMATO plants, and got a 50 in plasma, why did my electric bill go up? I remember 25 yrs ago they said it was unlimited use?


AstroBoy

@comcast.net


from:
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reply to SkellBasher
said by SkellBasher See Profile :

Not attempting to imply that Facebook or Youtube are going to suck multiple GB, but it's going to generate more than 'normal' text based traffic.

And you know as well as I do that there are perfectly legitimate and legal applications that can eat up a good chunk of bandwidth. I downloaded 4 different Linux ISOs last week alone so I could see which one I liked best on my new laptop. That's a significant chunk there. If I got a letter from Verizon, I would flip shit. I can't tell you how many different applications I pull down to try out on my Windows box, and how many times I run apt-get on the other box. It can add up quick. 300GB quick? No issues with someone getting dinged for that. It's a shitton.

I have no issues with providers rate limiting or policing the known P2P traffic streams. Hell, tell me that I can only use 20MB of P2P traffic a month, and I'm fine with that too. I can use other methods that aren't construed to be below board.

But heck man, if they want a usage limit, tell folks what it is BEFORE hand. Offer up a Comcast branded tool to monitor their home usage, consider it a value-add. Give people the TOOLS to help themselves, and I'd bet a lot of people would.
Dude, I normally use p2p to get Linux ISO files. I use torrents. That is completely above board!
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