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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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reply to major marco
Re: I have never in my life

said by major marco See Profile :

I'm glad that you chose to appoint yourself as universal speaker for everyone under every circumstance, Rick.
I must have missed the part where I appointed myself that.
What I said was many of us don't download 300 gigs in our lifetimes...much less in one month.

I must have also missed the part where comcast advertises their service as an all you can eat buffet.

You seem hell bent on twisting not only my words..but Comcasts TOS as well.
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The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!


At Work

@tds.net

reply to Rick
Huh? All this connectivity? That's what they're there for... Connectivity... Gone are the days of 1 computer in the house. Now people have multiple computers, Xboxes, iTunes, WoW, PSP, DS, and all the other network devices pulling data off of one home connection. This is the future. "Connectivity" is not a wonderous thing. It is a commodity, and the providers are scared that people think of it this way. It's not magic, nor is it special. Sorry "Comcast" Rick!

kinglou0

join:2006-06-05
Kent, WA

reply to Nightfall
said by Nightfall See Profile :

said by Asmodeus See Profile :

maybe you need to get real... ever heard of the phrase, "truth in advertising"...? if any isp says they have unlimited (and unasterisked) usage, then it is what it is... the presumption that you don't think someone should have 300gb of downloads or hell, even uploads is none of your concern... if comcast offers it and someone takes advantage of it, then what is the issue...? also, it's none of your business what someone does with their internet account now is it mrs. cravetts...?
Comcast has not advertised unlimited internet usage for over 3 years now.
Bull crap, the most recent promotion(s) advertising high speed says unlimited. The commercial is the ones featuring the roommates who schedule their internet time because they 're on DSL. During the ad, Comcast mentions it being unlimited service.
If Comcast wants to be weasels, why don't they just start saying unlimited access not service?


soldatenhund

@bell.ca

reply to Rick
Actually it is a bad analogy. This very thing happened to a friend's football team. They were eating at a chinese buffet on Dundas just south of Erin Mills in Mississauga.

The owners told them to leave, they refused, he called the cops. The cops showed up and asked what the problem was after which he told the manager never to call him for that again and to let them finish eating.

If you advertise a service and then can't provide it, that is called false advertising and is a poorly constructed business model. You don't blame the consumer because YOU didn't believe , think it would be used to its fullest or more importantly plan on honouring your advertisement which oddly enough seems to be acceptable practice. Lie to people them blame them for following through on YOUR promise.


hobgoblin
Sortof Agoblin
Premium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
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reply to SkellBasher
"Your assertion that 300GB a month is more than one would use 'in a lifetime' is absurd. The internet is content; spend a couple of hours with a college kid spending time on Facebook and Youtube, and see how much data gets moved. It adds up faster than you think."

Agreed....Lifetime is a stretch.

I installed Net Limiter on my main machine in March.

I have used 35 Gb down and 4 Gb up.

I have a face book account...and I visit Youtube.

Face Book and Youtube are minimal traffic. Its the 24/7 downloading of content that no one has paid for that is the issue.

and you know it skell

Hob
--
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson


SkellBasher
Yes Sorto, I'll take my Prozac

join:2000-10-22
North Tonawanda, NY

Not attempting to imply that Facebook or Youtube are going to suck multiple GB, but it's going to generate more than 'normal' text based traffic.

And you know as well as I do that there are perfectly legitimate and legal applications that can eat up a good chunk of bandwidth. I downloaded 4 different Linux ISOs last week alone so I could see which one I liked best on my new laptop. That's a significant chunk there. If I got a letter from Verizon, I would flip shit. I can't tell you how many different applications I pull down to try out on my Windows box, and how many times I run apt-get on the other box. It can add up quick. 300GB quick? No issues with someone getting dinged for that. It's a shitton.

I have no issues with providers rate limiting or policing the known P2P traffic streams. Hell, tell me that I can only use 20MB of P2P traffic a month, and I'm fine with that too. I can use other methods that aren't construed to be below board.

But heck man, if they want a usage limit, tell folks what it is BEFORE hand. Offer up a Comcast branded tool to monitor their home usage, consider it a value-add. Give people the TOOLS to help themselves, and I'd bet a lot of people would.


hobgoblin
Sortof Agoblin
Premium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
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Skell You are an intelligent man.

Of Course those applications are gonna suck more traffic than posting on here.

You also know that the VAST majority go no where near the kind of traffic this Forum talks about.

You also understand how hard it would be to talk about "caps" and make 99% of the base understand.

Oh well.

Hob
--
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

chris123

join:2002-07-23
Highland, IN

reply to Rick
said by Rick See Profile :

seen anyone complain of being booted for downloading only 35gigs in a month.

300 gigs..that's a different story.

Isn't someone who downloads that much and expects Comcast to give it to them for 43 bucks a month similar to someone who visits an "all you can eat" chinese buffet for lunch..and proceeds to attach a chain to the back of their pickup..and the restaurants buffet table..and proceeds to drag the whole counter home with them?

But then, they come back and say.."but you told me it was all I could eat."
Nope.. More like All you can eat for 10.99 then when you go up for the second plate they say, we didn't think you'd eat that much, sorry you have to leave.

Its not about how much bandwidth these guys are using, its all about some hidden limit. Its deceptive to sell a service without an upfront specified limit which is in fact limited.

I suggest you guys switch to sbc er att. I use a boatload of bandwidth and have yet to hear a single peep from them.

T1 service in comparison to broadband stinks. Yes you get more upload speed generally but you only get a fraction of the download speed. With sbc dsl now I'm getting 6/608 or four times the download and a third of the upload. Plus even in the cheapest areas of the US we spend 400.00 per month for a t1.
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see my SBC Review @ »Review of AT&T Midwest by chris123


AstroBoy

@comcast.net


from:
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reply to SkellBasher
said by SkellBasher See Profile :

Not attempting to imply that Facebook or Youtube are going to suck multiple GB, but it's going to generate more than 'normal' text based traffic.

And you know as well as I do that there are perfectly legitimate and legal applications that can eat up a good chunk of bandwidth. I downloaded 4 different Linux ISOs last week alone so I could see which one I liked best on my new laptop. That's a significant chunk there. If I got a letter from Verizon, I would flip shit. I can't tell you how many different applications I pull down to try out on my Windows box, and how many times I run apt-get on the other box. It can add up quick. 300GB quick? No issues with someone getting dinged for that. It's a shitton.

I have no issues with providers rate limiting or policing the known P2P traffic streams. Hell, tell me that I can only use 20MB of P2P traffic a month, and I'm fine with that too. I can use other methods that aren't construed to be below board.

But heck man, if they want a usage limit, tell folks what it is BEFORE hand. Offer up a Comcast branded tool to monitor their home usage, consider it a value-add. Give people the TOOLS to help themselves, and I'd bet a lot of people would.
Dude, I normally use p2p to get Linux ISO files. I use torrents. That is completely above board!


LeftOfSanity

join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE

reply to At Work
said by At Work :

Huh? All this connectivity? That's what they're there for... Connectivity... Gone are the days of 1 computer in the house. Now people have multiple computers, Xboxes, iTunes, WoW, PSP, DS, and all the other network devices pulling data off of one home connection. This is the future. "Connectivity" is not a wonderous thing. It is a commodity, and the providers are scared that people think of it this way. It's not magic, nor is it special. Sorry "Comcast" Rick!
Thats like saying, i just hooked up my light system (for my legal Linux Distro's, errr I mean my legal TOMATO plants, and got a 50 in plasma, why did my electric bill go up? I remember 25 yrs ago they said it was unlimited use?


LeftOfSanity

join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE

reply to kinglou0
said by kinglou0 See Profile :

said by Nightfall See Profile :

said by Asmodeus See Profile :

maybe you need to get real... ever heard of the phrase, "truth in advertising"...? if any isp says they have unlimited (and unasterisked) usage, then it is what it is... the presumption that you don't think someone should have 300gb of downloads or hell, even uploads is none of your concern... if comcast offers it and someone takes advantage of it, then what is the issue...? also, it's none of your business what someone does with their internet account now is it mrs. cravetts...?
Comcast has not advertised unlimited internet usage for over 3 years now.
Bull crap, the most recent promotion(s) advertising high speed says unlimited. The commercial is the ones featuring the roommates who schedule their internet time because they 're on DSL. During the ad, Comcast mentions it being unlimited service.
If Comcast wants to be weasels, why don't they just start saying unlimited access not service?
must be your market. Pics please or it didn't happen.


LeftOfSanity

join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE

reply to soldatenhund
said by soldatenhund :

Actually it is a bad analogy. This very thing happened to a friend's football team. They were eating at a chinese buffet on Dundas just south of Erin Mills in Mississauga.

The owners told them to leave, they refused, he called the cops. The cops showed up and asked what the problem was after which he told the manager never to call him for that again and to let them finish eating.

If you advertise a service and then can't provide it, that is called false advertising and is a poorly constructed business model. You don't blame the consumer because YOU didn't believe , think it would be used to its fullest or more importantly plan on honouring your advertisement which oddly enough seems to be acceptable practice. Lie to people them blame them for following through on YOUR promise.
Link to local paper article or I call BS


djrobx

join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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reply to SkellBasher
Why do Linux ISOs always come up in this argument?

Even if you downloaded 4 different full DVDR images of different distros to test with that's only around 16GB of data for the week.

Most of the linux distros I've played with are "net-live" which means I download a CD size image that installs enough of the OS to get going, with the rest downloaded from the Internet on-demand. Seems a lot more efficient than downloading a full DVD image just to try out a distro.

Even Windows Vista in all of its bloated glory doesn't consume a full DVD!

notwrth10

join:2007-03-03
1001EB

reply to Rick
I stopped at the title folks, besides he needs to work on that bit torrent throttling his employer decided to implement.

I am going to guess it was a big payday for Rick See Profile when they implemented that?

Said at team meeting:

big boss: "So rick, we just throttle this bit-torrent thing and our bandwidth problems go away?"

rick: Yes sir

big boss: thank you rick, you have always served us well. Here have this bonus on us!

rick: pleasure doing business with you!


Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
·Site5.com
·AT&T Midwest
·Comcast

reply to kinglou0
said by kinglou0 See Profile :

said by Nightfall See Profile :

said by Asmodeus See Profile :

maybe you need to get real... ever heard of the phrase, "truth in advertising"...? if any isp says they have unlimited (and unasterisked) usage, then it is what it is... the presumption that you don't think someone should have 300gb of downloads or hell, even uploads is none of your concern... if comcast offers it and someone takes advantage of it, then what is the issue...? also, it's none of your business what someone does with their internet account now is it mrs. cravetts...?
Comcast has not advertised unlimited internet usage for over 3 years now.
Bull crap, the most recent promotion(s) advertising high speed says unlimited. The commercial is the ones featuring the roommates who schedule their internet time because they 're on DSL. During the ad, Comcast mentions it being unlimited service.
If Comcast wants to be weasels, why don't they just start saying unlimited access not service?
Link to proof in writing please.

Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ

reply to Rick
well they should specify what excessive use is then, running torrents pinned out constantly(legal or illegal ones) is clearly more transfer then someone running 3 wow accounts, ventrilo and 128kbit netradio stream 18hrs a day.
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lt_wentoncha
Red6

join:2002-05-12
000000
reply to Rick
Well, to end this "continual nonsense" Comcast should just publish their caps limits.

Thaler
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA

said by lt_wentoncha See Profile :

Well, to end this "continual nonsense" Comcast should just publish their caps limits.
But then in doing so, their unlimited bragging rights go out the window. As much as they'd like to play semantics with unlimited access vs. use, if people see clear caps, they see it as "not really unlimited".


Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
·Site5.com
·AT&T Midwest
·Comcast

said by Thaler See Profile :

said by lt_wentoncha See Profile :

Well, to end this "continual nonsense" Comcast should just publish their caps limits.
But then in doing so, their unlimited bragging rights go out the window. As much as they'd like to play semantics with unlimited access vs. use, if people see clear caps, they see it as "not really unlimited".
Once again....is there any link or print advertisement that shows that Comcast HSI is unlimited in anyway? Even reading their TOS clearly states that it isn't "unlimited".

Thaler
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA

said by Nightfall See Profile :

Once again....is there any link or print advertisement that shows that Comcast HSI is unlimited in anyway? Even reading their TOS clearly states that it isn't "unlimited".
Talk to any internet provider's sales, with or without caps. Its almost damn near reflexive for them to include "unlimited" with the bundle description. All I know is everywhere I've gone, speeds aren't advertised, but the introductory rate (along with the "unlimited") are as well. Wish I could find something for ya, but its almost harder to find big boards without the unlimited toting around our area.
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