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 tshirtPremium,MVM
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Snohomish, WA
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 ·Comcast
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Re: COMCRAP said by bmn:I need proof from people claiming that BT is "interfering with the operation of their [Comcast's : network." Well take a deep breath, hold it, hold it, hold it, and I'll get back to you soon. 
Sorry, No PROOF will be provided
I put forth 3 possible reason why I believe comcast would choose to block/slow torrent activity
1}bandwidth usage
2}massive connections/virus like activity
3}massive connections/ router/network overload
any of which COULD be seen as interference
and none of which needs to meet your or my burden of proof to violate the TOS, the only burden of proof is
In the sole opinion of Comcast that it interferes or disrupts their network. | | |
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bmn? ? ?Premium,ExMod 2003-06
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hiatus | said by tshirt:...the only burden of proof is In the sole opinion of Comcast that it interferes or disrupts their network... There is an old saying... Opinions are like assholes; everyone has one but some are full of shit.
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Prove it...
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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
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said by tshirt:said by bmn:I need proof from people claiming that BT is "interfering with the operation of their [Comcast's : network." Well take a deep breath, hold it, hold it, hold it, and I'll get back to you soon. Sorry, No PROOF will be provided I put forth 3 possible reason why I believe comcast would choose to block/slow torrent activity 1}bandwidth usage 2}massive connections/virus like activity 3}massive connections/ router/network overload any of which COULD be seen as interference I don't get the "Massive Connections" being an issue. Perhaps you can explain that one to me. Comcast's routers don't need to be stateful (like a SOHO router does), they just need to route IP. An idle TCP/IP connection is not "chatty" so what's the beef if I happen to open several hundred of them (if I can)? [don't flame me -- it's an honest question -- if I'm wrong, teach me!]
said by tshirt: and none of which needs to meet your or my burden of proof to violate the TOS, the only burden of proof is In the sole opinion of Comcast that it interferes or disrupts their network. That's true, but my take on it is that they're better than that. Despite all the heat that these threads have raised, Comcast has been a relatively good ISP over the years.
Charter just announced a 16/1 Tier, and I know Comcast has these, too. That's rather irresponsible, isn't it? All it takes is 3 wide-open BitTorrent downloads (or any kind of downloads) to slow down a whole neighborhood.
BitTorrent clients like uTorrent and Azureus/Vuze have bandwidth autotuning that throttles down the upload speeds (Azureus also does download) if network latency increases.
Innovations like that sure seems a like a key part of the solution to me.
All that to say this: Yes, it's their call. But, Comcast would be hard pressed to honestly say that a filetransfer was having a negative impact on the Comcast network if the program itself is constantly monitoring and effectively acting to prevent it.
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tshirtPremium,MVM
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·Comcast
1 edit | said by funchords: I don't get the "Massive Connections" being an issue. Perhaps you can explain that one to me. Comcast's routers don't need to be stateful (like a SOHO router does), they just need to route IP. An idle TCP/IP connection is not "chatty" so what's the beef if I happen to open several hundred of them (if I can)? [don't flame me -- it's an honest question -- if I'm wrong, teach me!] That's true, but my take on it is that they're better than that. Despite all the heat that these threads have raised, Comcast has been a relatively good ISP over the years. BitTorrent clients like uTorrent and Azureus/Vuze have bandwidth autotuning that throttles down the upload speeds (Azureus also does download) if network latency increases. Innovations like that sure seems a like a key part of the solution to me. All that to say this: Yes, it's their call. But, Comcast would be hard pressed to honestly say that a filetransfer was having a negative impact on the Comcast network if the program itself is constantly monitoring and effectively acting to prevent it. I doubt torrents or any other app, open large number of connections just to sit idle (unless by poor design) there is always some overhead, no matter how small.
For CC to rely on the autotuning feature is essentially turning control of that latency adjustment over to a third party app on thousands of machines, without control over how it is configured, or the ability to set the limits ads they see fit.
CC also has an overriding interest to be sure their own services (VoIP, IP video, game invasion and normal client transfers) receive the HIGHEST QoS priority
sandvine allows them to add a new, almost stateful like inspection to packets on their network and deprioritize certain traffic/ use patterns.
I do agree that overall Comcast has been a fairly good ISP and think that taking better control over latency, etc.
I also believe that they would not have agreed to (most likely) millions in licensing, hardware/changes, and maintenance to sandvine unless they believed it would assist in providing a better user experience to the majority of their customer base.
In fact any difficult you now have might be due to the initial tuning and testing phase as they iron out any bugs in network wide usage.
As to why they are in denial about it (other than obvious security/ operation concerns) I'd guess that's input from the PR dept. and therefore likely has little resemblance to reality | |
funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
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Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | said by tshirt: As to why they are in denial about it (other than obvious security/ operation concerns) I'd guess that's input from the PR dept. and therefore likely has little resemblance to reality ... 'Three point shot from mid-court --- SCORE!!!' 
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