jadinolf
I love you Fred
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join:2005-07-09
Ojai, CA
 ·DSL EXTREME
| reply to KrK
Re: Soon there will be no independents left....
said by KrK  :... and all you'll have is your local Telco and Cable company... and if you're rural... neither. Yep, it's sad but we must move on.
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
| reply to v8rail
well, that sounds like a thought out personal choice. don't sit there and tell me you moved to such wilderness without knowing there would be a lack of utilities....and then complain about it.
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v8rail
join:2003-10-13
Ash Fork, AZ
 ·HughesNet Satellit..
| reply to inteller
said by inteller :you don't have telephone in the woods? BS. No landline, no powerline .... and I know many rural places that are that way 
when I moved to this place, there was also only fringe Verizon cell coverage, at least that changed 
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Logan 5
Wondering what happens next..
Premium,MVM
join:2001-05-25
The WasteLAN
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to inteller
said by inteller :if thee is copper running to your house, you can get broadband...sometimes you just have to lobby for it. LOL... Clearly someone who's never been at the fringes of a CO with no RT in sight or been denied service other then low grade dialup (over coppper POTS} because of extreme rural conditions.... |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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| reply to Richard B
Re: Dude..
"Take my area, Verizon owns the wiring, switching and DSLAM equipment." Yes, this is called "The Last Mile" There is much more to DSL service than ploping out DSLAMS.
AT&T will bring our customer's DSL circuit back to their Central office. Then they will mux all of our DSL clients together. They then cross connect our fiber to their shasta box and send our DSL customers down our fiber to our datacenter. We then terminate the DSL customers in our routers, with our IPs. They are then sent out to the internet over our backbone feeds. This is how we serve each LATA we are in. The multi LATA ISPs do this a little differently, but it's the same basic concept.
People bitch enough about 1 Vrad. Imagine how bad they would bitch if every ISP that provides internet put out a box. I am in a small to medium market. I know of 4 Local ISPs, plus Earthlink, AT&T, AOL, and a half dozen other ISPs/Clecs that offer DSL. Just for arguments sake lets say there were 10 ISPs offering DSL. That's 10 times the number of boxes on the side of the road and 10 times the number of cables on the telephone poles and if they decided to take it further maybe 10 times the number of telephone poles.
Offering DSL is more than just "reselling bits that is traveling on the Telco's hardware." |
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whfsdude
Premium
join:2003-04-05
Washington, DC
| reply to Richard B
said by Richard B :SHOW ME. Take my area, Verizon owns the wiring, switching and DSLAM equipment. All EarthLink is doing is reselling bits that is traveling on the Telco's hardware. Earthlink/COVAD put their own DSLAMS in the CO and only lease the copper. Which means they can offer custom sync rates with their own DSLAMS/network and also can run ADSL2 and IDSL. Verizon cannot/will not do that.
In fact, Verizon doesn't own any ADSL2 DSLAMs. |
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haynosity
CovadVonage FST
join:2000-08-15
Spring, TX | reply to inteller
Re: Soon there will be no independents left....
Hmmm so if your over 18000 feet from the CO, Then your good I guess. Now thats BS. |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
| reply to bmn
said by bmn :said by inteller :you don't have telephone in the woods? BS. Broadband... He's clearly talking about broadband. if thee is copper running to your house, you can get broadband...sometimes you just have to lobby for it. |
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jsimmons
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-24
Falls Church, VA
| reply to Richard B
Re: Dude..
When a customer orders DSL from Earthlink, that DSL circuit (which Earthlink can't provide itself) can be provisioned by either an ILEC (like Verizon), or CLEC (like Covad) - depending on who can offer service at that address. Covad has to have DSLAM equipment co-located at the Verizon POP serving that address before its serevice can be selected. So sure, in many cases Verizon will get the order to provide the DSL circuit, but still it has to route the packets onto Earthlink's network (Not Verizon's). It is just contracted to carry the packets over the "last mile". In cases where both the ILEC and CLEC can provide DSL service to the address, its a toss-up which provider gets the DSL order from Earthlink. In some cases the Customer (if smart enough) can request one or the other and Earthlink may honor the request.
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jsimmons
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-24
Falls Church, VA
| reply to Richard B
Re: Soon there will be no independents left....
LOL... Covad's DSL which Earthlink used to service my address was FAR superior to Verizon's equivalent. I KNOW - I tried both at the same address over the same copper. Verizon just couldn't Git 'er done wit the same speed and reliability.
FWIW, Covad had their OWN equipment co-located in Verizon's POP. All Covad did was lease a pair of copper wires to my house to get the DSL signal from their equip. to my modem. They then routed the data packets onto Earthlink's network. Verizon got a few bucks a month for Covad's use of their copper, but aside from that, Verizon had nothing to do with my service.
Alas, I eventually bailed on DSL and headed for the higher bandwidth of cable and never looked back. Verizon FIOS, while offered in parts of NoVA under an agressive buildout, has never reached my neighborhood
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs | reply to Richard B
Re: Dude..
As my mother used to say.....
"Fight nice, children." |
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
 ·Comcast
| reply to qworster
"Also, Earthlink provides Interent service at greater distances then many of the telcos do. My friend in MA, wouldn't HAVE broadband Internet if it wasn't for Earthlink. Verizon claimed that he was too far away from the Central Office to qualify for their DSL and cable isn't available at his house. Earthlink sold him 1500/384 DSL that's given him great service for many years!"
SHOW ME.
Take my area, Verizon owns the wiring, switching and DSLAM equipment. All EarthLink is doing is reselling bits that is traveling on the Telco's hardware. |
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bmn
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Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
| reply to inteller
Re: Soon there will be no independents left....
said by inteller :you don't have telephone in the woods? BS. Broadband... He's clearly talking about broadband.
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qworster
join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA
·DSL EXTREME
·Brand X Internet
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·Vonage
4 edits | reply to Richard B
Dude..
They DON'T just 'slap' their sticker on someone else's equipment/service! The telco provides the "Last mile" of the circuit-with their equipment that earthlink leases from them, and Earthlink provides the NETWORK that FILLS that last mile with Internet!
Also, Earthlink provides Interent service at greater distances then many of the telcos do. My friend in MA, wouldn't HAVE broadband Internet if it wasn't for Earthlink. Verizon claimed that he was too far away from the Central Office to qualify for their DSL and cable isn't available at his house. Earthlink sold him 1500/384 DSL that's given him great service for many years!
Why don't you (and everyone else that thinks they "know it all") get the FACTS before you make your opinions and decisions???! That way, we'll all be better off, and you won't look ignorant! |
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
·Comcast
| reply to KrK
Re: Soon there will be no independents left....
The way it should be. I was an EarthLink customer who went first to Verizon. Yes EarthLink tried to offer DSL to me but I feel those who own the lines should be the one to provide the service. I was not going to give one cent to a "independent" who just going to slap their logo on the Telco’s equipment. |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | reply to KrK
you don't have telephone in the woods? BS. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | ... and all you'll have is your local Telco and Cable company... and if you're rural... neither. |
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