Re: Dude.. in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18967088 en Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:36:22 EDT Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:36:22 EDT Re: Soon there will be no independents left.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18989302 jadinolf :
said by KrK See Profile :

... and all you'll have is your local Telco and Cable company... and if you're rural... neither.
Yep, it's sad but we must move on.
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"WHEN THE LAUGH TRACK STARTS THEN THE FUN STARTS!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18973140 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:58:05 EDT Re: Soon there will be no independents left.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18971011 v8rail :
said by inteller See Profile :

you don't have telephone in the woods? BS.
No landline, no powerline .... and I know many rural places that are that way ;)

when I moved to this place, there was also only fringe Verizon cell coverage, at least that changed :D
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Verizon Wireless Rev A, DW7000 with .74 dish (soon to be a birdbath)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18971011 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:38:52 EDT Re: Soon there will be no independents left.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18970515 Logan 5 :
said by inteller See Profile :

if thee is copper running to your house, you can get broadband...sometimes you just have to lobby for it.
LOL... Clearly someone who's never been at the fringes of a CO with no RT in sight or been denied service other then low grade dialup (over coppper POTS} because of extreme rural conditions....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18970515 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:19:07 EDT Re: Dude.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18969328 battleop : "Take my area, Verizon owns the wiring, switching and DSLAM equipment." Yes, this is called "The Last Mile" There is much more to DSL service than ploping out DSLAMS.

AT&T will bring our customer's DSL circuit back to their Central office. Then they will mux all of our DSL clients together. They then cross connect our fiber to their shasta box and send our DSL customers down our fiber to our datacenter. We then terminate the DSL customers in our routers, with our IPs. They are then sent out to the internet over our backbone feeds. This is how we serve each LATA we are in. The multi LATA ISPs do this a little differently, but it's the same basic concept.

People bitch enough about 1 Vrad. Imagine how bad they would bitch if every ISP that provides internet put out a box. I am in a small to medium market. I know of 4 Local ISPs, plus Earthlink, AT&T, AOL, and a half dozen other ISPs/Clecs that offer DSL. Just for arguments sake lets say there were 10 ISPs offering DSL. That's 10 times the number of boxes on the side of the road and 10 times the number of cables on the telephone poles and if they decided to take it further maybe 10 times the number of telephone poles.

Offering DSL is more than just "reselling bits that is traveling on the Telco's hardware."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18969328 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:23:44 EDT Re: Dude.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18968831 whfsdude :
said by Richard B See Profile :

SHOW ME.
Take my area, Verizon owns the wiring, switching and DSLAM equipment. All EarthLink is doing is reselling bits that is traveling on the Telco's hardware.
Earthlink/COVAD put their own DSLAMS in the CO and only lease the copper. Which means they can offer custom sync rates with their own DSLAMS/network and also can run ADSL2 and IDSL. Verizon cannot/will not do that.

In fact, Verizon doesn't own any ADSL2 DSLAMs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18968831 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:14:33 EDT Re: Soon there will be no independents left.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18967623 haynosity : Hmmm so if your over 18000 feet from the CO, Then your good I guess. Now thats BS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18967623 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:57:19 EDT Re: Soon there will be no independents left.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18967408 inteller :
said by bmn See Profile :

said by inteller See Profile :

you don't have telephone in the woods? BS.
Broadband... He's clearly talking about broadband.
if thee is copper running to your house, you can get broadband...sometimes you just have to lobby for it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18967408 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:25:05 EDT Re: Dude.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18967369 jsimmons : When a customer orders DSL from Earthlink, that DSL circuit (which Earthlink can't provide itself) can be provisioned by either an ILEC (like Verizon), or CLEC (like Covad) - depending on who can offer service at that address. Covad has to have DSLAM equipment co-located at the Verizon POP serving that address before its serevice can be selected. So sure, in many cases Verizon will get the order to provide the DSL circuit, but still it has to route the packets onto Earthlink's network (Not Verizon's). It is just contracted to carry the packets over the "last mile". In cases where both the ILEC and CLEC can provide DSL service to the address, its a toss-up which provider gets the DSL order from Earthlink. In some cases the Customer (if smart enough) can request one or the other and Earthlink may honor the request.
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"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." - Albert Einstein ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18967369 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:18:47 EDT Re: Soon there will be no independents left.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18967256 jsimmons : LOL... Covad's DSL which Earthlink used to service my address was FAR superior to Verizon's equivalent. I KNOW - I tried both at the same address over the same copper. Verizon just couldn't Git 'er done wit the same speed and reliability.

FWIW, Covad had their OWN equipment co-located in Verizon's POP. All Covad did was lease a pair of copper wires to my house to get the DSL signal from their equip. to my modem. They then routed the data packets onto Earthlink's network. Verizon got a few bucks a month for Covad's use of their copper, but aside from that, Verizon had nothing to do with my service.

Alas, I eventually bailed on DSL and headed for the higher bandwidth of cable and never looked back. Verizon FIOS, while offered in parts of NoVA under an agressive buildout, has never reached my neighborhood
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"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." - Albert Einstein ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18967256 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:59:45 EDT Re: Dude.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18967149 N3OGH : As my mother used to say.....

"Fight nice, children."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18967149 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:42:42 EDT Re: Dude.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18967088 Richard B : "Also, Earthlink provides Interent service at greater distances then many of the telcos do. My friend in MA, wouldn't HAVE broadband Internet if it wasn't for Earthlink. Verizon claimed that he was too far away from the Central Office to qualify for their DSL and cable isn't available at his house. Earthlink sold him 1500/384 DSL that's given him great service for many years!"

SHOW ME.
Take my area, Verizon owns the wiring, switching and DSLAM equipment. All EarthLink is doing is reselling bits that is traveling on the Telco's hardware. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18967088 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:34:59 EDT Re: Soon there will be no independents left.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18967031 bmn :
said by inteller See Profile :

you don't have telephone in the woods? BS.
Broadband... He's clearly talking about broadband.
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Prove it...
Save the Internet Time (NTP) service, use the pool.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18967031 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:27:46 EDT Dude.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18966920 qworster : They DON'T just 'slap' their sticker on someone else's equipment/service! The telco provides the "Last mile" of the circuit-with their equipment that earthlink leases from them, and Earthlink provides the NETWORK that FILLS that last mile with Internet!

Also, Earthlink provides Interent service at greater distances then many of the telcos do. My friend in MA, wouldn't HAVE broadband Internet if it wasn't for Earthlink. Verizon claimed that he was too far away from the Central Office to qualify for their DSL and cable isn't available at his house. Earthlink sold him 1500/384 DSL that's given him great service for many years!

Why don't you (and everyone else that thinks they "know it all") get the FACTS before you make your opinions and decisions???! That way, we'll all be better off, and you won't look ignorant!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18966920 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:11:21 EDT Re: Soon there will be no independents left.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18966875 Richard B : The way it should be. I was an EarthLink customer who went first to Verizon. Yes EarthLink tried to offer DSL to me but I feel those who own the lines should be the one to provide the service. I was not going to give one cent to a "independent" who just going to slap their logo on the Telco’s equipment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18966875 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:05:34 EDT Re: Soon there will be no independents left.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18966854 inteller : you don't have telephone in the woods? BS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18966854 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:03:10 EDT Soon there will be no independents left.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18966812 KrK : ... and all you'll have is your local Telco and Cable company... and if you're rural... neither.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18966812 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:57:21 EDT