tiger72
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Re: Greed
said by apollo80  :said by anaon444 :
And YOU have figured out how to get this protected content off EVERY DVR in the world to a computer? What a Genious you are! Um...yeah...it's called the analog loophole. Not exactly a "loophole" when 1080i content is downrezzed to 480i.. For those of us with HD, the above method is useless.
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tiger72
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because the commercials are cut out. |
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apollo80
join:2002-01-31
Richmond, VA | reply to anaon444
said by anaon444 :
And YOU have figured out how to get this protected content off EVERY DVR in the world to a computer? What a Genious you are! Um...yeah...it's called the analog loophole. |
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fasfsdaf
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Then just record it yourself and don't buy it. You say that, and it sounds so simple, yet you complain about it so obviously you aren't doing it. |
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KrK
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said by Sammer :Maybe for the same reason you can't walk into a store and walk out without paying for a DVD copy of some show you could have recorded yourself.  Not a valid comparison. With a DVD in a store, you have a tangible physical item, with an actual value. A program broadcast for free to the public should be available for downloading for free, or at best, a very very minimal charge to cover the costs of providing the download. For example a 1 Hour TV show should be 10 cents.
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tlcbob
join:2001-07-11
Harrisburg, PA | reply to Sammer
You need to read the first post in this thread - he was talking about DVR'ing the content from his settop box and saving it. This IS legal. Then another poster compared it to taking a dvd from a store - no comparison - that is illegal. |
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smcallah
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Analog outputs on DVR's are not protected. |
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ross
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1 edit | reply to Anon
I don't have anything against a major network trying to double its profits by selling their own recordings of TV shows to people who missed the opportunity to record the original broadcast, as long as the network doesn't try to restrain the free distribution/sharing of similar recordings made by original contemporaneous audiences without charge to others for non-commercial enjoyment. The market, offset by file sharing, will act to rein in prices and keep things reasonable for those too lazy to have recorded the original broadcasts themselves, or to download from usenet, or via p2p.
However, in the case before us, NBC is seeking to double/treble its already doubled profits (made possible by the existence of outlets such as the iTunes store) by picking the pocket of the middleman. They are seeking to raise the wholesale cost/retail price beyond supportable limits; essentially asking Apple to pay over Apples existing margins, and forcing Apple to try and recoup the loss through pricing levels that can't be supported by the extent marketplace. At $1.99 (too high), the current price of NBC's offerings through iTunes exhausts the convenience factor. At $4.99, it's outrageous, simply price-gouging, and doomed to fail leaving Apple holding the bag.
It is one thing for NBC to price themselves out of the market, as that is their right, but quite another to ask Apple to subsidize their idiocy. |
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LeftOfSanity
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said by GoD of KaOs :said by kalphearion :said by claco :Forget the price increase, I still don't understand why I have to pay anything at all for something that was broadcast over public airwaves and that I could record myself. To some level I do agree with you. Cable companies ask that same question when they negotiate a price to carry network channels. Exactly. People bitch about price increases, yet they don't think about the content providers. They want a big piece of the action.
Think about it, they want 5 bucks for an Ipod version of 1 show. Imagine if services were Ala carte. |
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GoD of KaOs
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join:2001-01-29
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Re: Greed
said by kalphearion :said by claco :Forget the price increase, I still don't understand why I have to pay anything at all for something that was broadcast over public airwaves and that I could record myself. To some level I do agree with you. Cable companies ask that same question when they negotiate a price to carry network channels. |
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Ross,
what the other poster was saying is that you failed to consider that:
* You pay for cable
* You pay for television set
* You pay for DVD recorder
* You pay for DVD media
or
* You pay for DVR
or
* You pay for computer
* You pay for Internet connection
also, you pay for electricity, time spent doing the above, etc..
Those of us who discuss delivery prices talk about quality and quantity. Right now, the proposed $5 wouldn't have gotten enough quantity, and I posited that back when it was $2 minus one cent it had inferior quality due to lack of knowledge that it existed, but otherwise I bet iTunes might have had decent codecs that my system could handle (i.e., high res high bitrate XVID/something else as good), but I don't know. BT/USENET have half decent quantity and pretty darn good quality, but aren't always available (legally), however the prices are reasonable. But it always still costs money: whatever system you chose, you are paying for it. So, the question becomes what is the quality, quantity for that? Well, the quality of illegal is bad in itself. Besides and including that consideration, it is the quality and quantity we are discussing about NBC: if the quantity is 0 using their medium, it is insufficient for NBC to continue. If the quantity is one third of what it should be for the price paid, then it is overpriced, and insufficient in that regard, which is true of $5 per episode.
MBAs (which as a rule are always retarded in every way), and those discussing MBAs (because MBAs need all the guidance they can get), need to understand the basic fundamentals of what they're discussing to have any real progress that lasts to improve the MBAs' inevitably horrible offerings.
If a high quality show was offered for $1 to $2 per show (not 99 cents nor 99 cents plus 100 cents or anything dumb like that) using high quality codecs that my system could handle (I use it as a litmus test since it is a fast machine but not superfast so it is right where the dividing line can be), then it is reasonable. Double that price is unreasonable. $2 for a show that is not good is too much. $2 for a good show that has crappy codecs is too much. $2 for anything that I don't know about because they announced it only way way back when it was most likely just vaporware is irrelevent because I'll never buy it that way, and if I ever watch it, it will be via some other way. Not offering it at all of course doesn't conduct any business.
I use my full time minimum wage income (which is common for citizens these days due to government illegal alien employment encouragement and lack of controls for sending business to aliens) as the obvious measure for this stuff.
P.S., what shows did NBC offer? I never keep track of which old fasioned network is transmitting something, since I don't tune via those any more; I tune via other networks, and know very much about those. |
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dualsub2006
join:2007-07-18
Newport, KY
| reply to anaon444
Re: Greed
YES! I am a GENIUS! And I'm not gonna tell YOU how I did it.
For everyone else, it is called a DVD recorder. I RECORD the content while I WATCH the content. Live or from DVR. I got mine at Best Lie for like $150 to some VCR tapes to DVD.
If I weren't such a GENIUS I never would have figured that out. |
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
| reply to tlcbob
Re: Greed
said by tlcbob :Hold on a second - it IS legal to record tv transmissions for personal use.... Yes but the iTunes store is a commercial service so personal use doesn't apply. |
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tlcbob
join:2001-07-11
Harrisburg, PA | reply to Sammer
Hold on a second - it IS legal to record tv transmissions for personal use.... |
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anaon444
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And YOU have figured out how to get this protected content off EVERY DVR in the world to a computer? What a Genious you are!
said by dualsub2006 :You don't have to pay anyone anything. DVR the stuff and then use your DVD recorder. Move it to your computer, chop the commercials, add some fades to make the transitions smooth and you have it done. NBC can sit and spin, I've been getting it for free for a very long time. |
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GunnarDanne
join:2002-12-02
Crown City, OH | reply to Sammer
Yeaaaa but when you do that, you steal the media it was copied to and the box. |
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