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Actually Jafo,

If one breaks one's response down to its simple components,
either something affects you or it does not.
Now to use previous examples:

I have a telephone I pay for. That does NOT give someone the
right to use the phone I pay for to solicit to me.
At my age, I believe I am quite capable of making a decision
as to whether I need something or want something or not.

Another example:
Mail: The postal service delivers mail to my address, this is
what postage stamps pay for. Anyone can send something to my
postal box as long as they pay for it. If I choose not to
read it, into the recycle bin it goes. I'm not forced to
read it regardless if they paid for it or not.

My computer and internet connection.
I've paid for both. It is my decision as to what I want to
see on my screen or have on my hard drive.

I don't pay for a postal box, so I get everything that is
sent to me.

There are millions of infected computers out there being
used without their owner's permission to send out millions
of pieces of spam, adware and viruses.

Now, can you explain to me, why I would want to buy something
from someone who uses spam, viruses and ad-ware to get my
attention?
I don't buy from people who spam me, and let the companies
know that they've lost a customer because of spam.

As far as sites sending me advertising, I look at it this
way, there are sites I support because I am a member of
those sites. Then, there are sites I don't support because
I am not a member. So, because I am not a member, this gives
you the right to place on my screen and hard drive anything
you want?
Sorry bub, but, I paid for the PC and the internet connection.

If you want to run a site, then find a way to finance it
without all the bullcrap or take it off the net.
My PC and internet connection are not there for you to
push advertising on me regardless of whether I visit your
site or not.

I choose not to view ads, flash animation or any other
form of advertising that seeks to divert my attention
away from the content I am seeking.

I was around before Yahoo, Google and all the advertising
bullcrap, and remember an internet before AOL.
No banners, no GIFS, no Flash and no Javascript.
All we had was text and it works quite well.

There WERE no ads and people still managed to run sites.
So you're going to sit there and tell me, that you can't
run a site without advertising?

As for your threat of blocking users, go ahead, why would
people want to visit a site where they've got ads jumping
out at them all over the place?

--Deeply Shrouded & Quiet
--Central Control! D-Dial #49

>>No, and nobody is soliciting you when you view a website. But if you call an 800 number for information say, on baseball scores, that provider has every right to put an ad between scores, and deny you access if you somehow block that ad.

Of course they are, when you visit a site with ads, and you're
not blocking them, those ads are saying "Hey, look at me
and buy what I am offering."
If that's not soliciting my attention, then I don't know what is.
You're not actually blocking the site from serving ads,
you're blocking the ads they serve from getting to your PC.
I can still get the baseball scores from the 800 #, and
take the phone away from my ear so I don't have to hear
the advertising.
Was the ad served? Yes it was. Did the party listen?
Prove I didn't.

>>This makes no sense. How does this equate even closely to you visiting a website. The website is not landing in your mailbox.

The mailbox represents the other side of the conversation.
The telephone I pay for, the postal box is provided to me
free of charge. Those who pay to send me mail should have
that mail sent. The telephone on the other hand, I pay for
and is not for the use of others to solicit to me.
Those who pay to advertise through mail, often have the
ads they paid to send out thrown in the recycle bin without
even being read. That's the risk they take.

>>True, it is your decision where you browse, however it is the owners decision how they wish to present their content. If they chose to place ads, your free to go elsewhere for the content. I mean, you paid for your car stereo, but that doesn't give you any right to listen to FM stations without listening to the ads.

True, but trying to find a site without advertising other
that Google's front page is quite rare these days. But I
still stand by the fact that the computer and hard drive
are mine, and it is my decision as to what is displayed
and what goes on that drive.

Here's another example. I have the right to do anything
I want. Let's say for example, I have the right to walk
into your house, stand on your breakfast table, sing the
star spangled banner as loud as I want.
That is my right to do so.

My right to do so ends when it infringes on your right to
privacy, peace, and security. The point is, my right to
do something ends when it infringes on your rights.

You have a right to run a site that displays ads.
That is not in dispute, however, I have the right to not
view those ads. Regardless of whether I view them or not,
your site will still serve them.

>>We are talking about advertising on sites, not SPAM. Try to not muddy the issue with irrelevance.

And many of those sites out there use ADWARE (as previously
stated) to show ads on a site that may interest the person
doing the browsing. For instance. My interests lie in
amateur radio. There are pieces of adware out there that
can monitor the sites I go to, and present me with ads
for amateur radio equipment.

>>Sites are not placing anything on your screen. You are placing YOURSELF on their server and then somehow wish to get the content without any thought of compensating those who took the time to put that content there in the first place. If you do not like ad based content, then you should not visit sites that use advertising.

OK look at it this way. I walk into a Starbucks, because I
am in their store, I see their brand name, things they sell
and possibly advertising from other vendors.
I can choose to not directly look at all the logos.

Now, I visit a site, unless I am using Lynx or another text
only browser, that site is PLACING ON MY HARD DRIVE AND
SCREEN, content I do not want. I didn't ask for the GIF
banner saying "CONGRATULATIONS! YOU'RE THE ONE MILLIONTH
VISITOR TO THIS SITE CLICK HERE TO CLAIM YOUR PRIZE."
Unless I clear my cache each time (which I do anyway, that
GIF file resides on my hard drive in the cache taking up
space. The GIF was added to my drive without my permission.
It takes up space, and a directory entry.
I've fixed computers that have had caches of over a GIG
yes, a GIG of information in the cache folder.

>>No, I will just find ways around adblocker, or in the end, block those who block me. This content is MY content, not yours. I know most on the net feel everything should be free, well, good luck with that.

I never said everything should be free. If there is a site
I like I WILL support it. Being my interests lie in amateur
radio, there are several sites I'm on where I am not
deluged by banners, flash animation and other things
to get my attention.

>>There is nobody pushing anything on you. Don't visit if you do not want to see my ads. Stop stealing my content!

You put up a site on the internet, give it a domain name,
publish that domain name, advertise that domain name
around, invite people to visit your site where banners
and other advertising appear unwanted on their screen,
unwanted copies of your GIF banners and flash animation
are stored unwanted on their hard drive, and you say
these people are stealing? If I put out a pitcher of
lemonade in a public place along with some flyers with
advertising for my business, and people drink the lemonade
without taking a flyer, then that is a business risk.
Unless there is a sign there saying they MUST take a flyer,
then they can choose not to. They're no more stealing my
lemonade than anyone using adblocker is stealing your content. You have the right to send the ads out from your
site, but as the previous example states above, that right
ends at my screen and hard drive.

>>Yeah, until you wanted to find anything useful. Have fun with Gopher did ya?

Yes, I sure did, Google works quite well in a text environment.
Look at adblocker this way, it's the graphical version
of Lynx. It filters out the graphics and flash people
aren't interested in anyway. If you block all the adblock
users, are you going to block all lynx users as well?

>>You mean back in the days when domain names did not cost anything right? Or 95% of all websites were hosted on university machines and not paid for by the webmaster? Yeah, the good ol days..

Have you looked at the price of domain names? They are
quite inexpensive these days.
If you can't run a site without having advertising and
that advertising is used to pay for something you cannot
afford otherwise, then why do it? Like the lemonade example.
I took a business risk putting that pitcher out, I paid for
the cost of the pitcher, the lemonade, the water to make it,
the ice cubes, the sugar, the plastic cups, the table, the
space FOR the table, the paper used in the flyers, the ink,
to make them all to get someone to notice my business.
That's the risk I took. Will everyone take a flyer? No,
of course not. People don't even have to look at it.
In the website, the ad is sent to a PC regardless of
whether a user wants it or not. That's the issue I have.

>>Your generalizing. My site does not have ads jumping all over the place. Sure, there are sites out there like that, and you know what I do? I don't visit those sites. I guess if I felt like a thief, I would do my best to block their ads to get at their content.

I don't see how blocking unwanted content from entering
my machine and displaying itself on my screen is being a
thief. Tell you what, why not post your phone number out
here on the forum and let anyone at random call you, using
your phone line, your time, your money, and minutes of
your life you'll never get back to try to sell stuff to you
that you have no interest in. Now you know why the government
has the DO NOT CALL list, and that telemarketers can be
fined for calling people on it.
Like I said earlier, you have the right to your banner ads
your flash ads, your javascript and all that fun, but that
right stops at my internet connected PC.

Ads on sites, spam, adware, viruses, it's all the same to
me. If it's not what I'm looking for, I don't want it on
my screen, or on my hard drive. That is my right.

When advertisers pay for my phone, they can call me till
hell freezes over. When they pay my electricity bill,
pay for the pc itself and its upkeep, and pay for the
internet connection, then they can advertise to me all they
want.

You want all the benefits of running a site with none of
the risks. People who don't want to view your ads will
find a way to block them. You have the right to block those
who block your ads. And it goes on, tit for tat....
Same thing happened with Caller ID and telemarketers.
Telemarketers tried to persuade the FTC that they had the
right to call people. Judge said, no way, they pay for the
phone line. You have the right to call, they have the
right to not answer.

So it boils down to this: MY pc, MY filters.
Don't like it? Sorry bub, but that's the business risk
you take when you pay to put a site online.

--Deeply Shrouded & Quiet
--Central Control! D-Dial #49