Jonbo298
join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA | Holy hell....
I think we all wish we could get that. Though then again, France is about 1/30th the size of the US so its easier to get FTTH to everyone over there then it is over here. |
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puzzledCanadian
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KrK 
| I think lots of DSL reports should take a geography lesson.
90 % of the US population lives in very dense urban centers (Boston to DC corridor), pretty much the same thing SFO to LAX (a little bit less dense.)
The latency of deploying FTTH in the US and CANADA (Canada has 3 major cities where 50 % of the pop lives) has more to do with laziness, greed and inexisting gov regulations....
Go get a geography class ! |
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HotRodFoto
Premium
join:2003-04-19
Denver, CO | reply to Jonbo298
who cares if it's 1/30th, offer it in metro areas. /end |
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bamabrad
join:2006-01-27
Port Orange, FL | AMEN! |
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qworster
join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA | reply to Jonbo298
This is PARIS they're talking about!
Paris is as LEAST as densely populated as New York or Los Angeles.
Your density argument does not apply in Paris. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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Re: Holy hell....
said by Jonbo298 :.. Though then again, France is about 1/30th the size of the US so its easier to get FTTH to everyone over there then it is over here. no, that's not the reason they are getting this kind of broadband at this kind of price. It's because they have competition.
If being a small area means it's easy to get advanced broadband at low prices, why the hell don't San Francisco, New York, LA and other VERY DENSE cities in the U.S. have fast speeds at low prices?
The same studies that show the U.S. in 15th place or so in broadband have also normalized the data for population density - with few exceptions, there is no correlation between population density and broadband penetration, speed or price.
We have no real competition, so our broadband is going to continue to be more expensive and slower for a long time to come. |
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nozzer
join:2004-06-25
Waltham, MA | reply to Jonbo298
US is around 2.8m sq miles if alaska is excluded, France is 212K. Not exactly 30 times, more like 12x, with 5x the population. If you look at rural vs city distribution the two are similar. |
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Jonbo298
join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA
| said by nozzer :US is around 2.8m sq miles if alaska is excluded, France is 212K. Not exactly 30 times, more like 12x, with 5x the population. If you look at rural vs city distribution the two are similar. I'm sorry I didn't take the time to look up the exact amount  |
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nozzer
join:2004-06-25
Waltham, MA | is it really that hard to type the question into Wikipedia before you get your facts wrong? (and you were almost 300% out)  |
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wolfhouse
join:2001-03-01
Union City, NJ | reply to Jonbo298
Population density is comparable to North Carolina though. The internet network is not even close. |
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Jonbo298
join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA
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said by nozzer :is it really that hard to type the question into Wikipedia before you get your facts wrong? (and you were almost 300% out) Yes, it is. I'm too lazy to do research for that |
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Bill
Light Up The Halo
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join:2001-12-09
clubs: | reply to puzzledCanadian
said by puzzledCanadian :
the same thing SFO to LAX (a little bit less dense.)
I wouldn't call the Central Valley even close to "dense"... |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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Paris is a huge city and being umpteen whoknows how many centuries old, is not exactly an example of urban planning. In fact, it's downright crazy.
Yet, somehow, simply by the Government enforcing laws promoting competition (not enforcing monopolies like they do here) the result has been, well, stunning. The incumbents here complain it can't be done and that it's too expensive. The competition in urban cities worldwide like Paris, Japan, Korea, etc all prove otherwise. Competition is good... you just have to protect it in it's early stages from the giants who move to crush it, and allow the companies to get up and running and get well established, and then the fun begins!
Too bad, this is what would of happened here if the 1996 Telecommunications Act had been enforced and lobbyists hadn't killed it.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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| reply to Bill
said by Bill :I wouldn't call the Central Valley even close to "dense"... Well I dunno... In my travels... I've met several people there that I think "Dense" would describe nicely 
Of course, I've met a lot of nice people there too. In fact, I'd say that pretty much rings true all over the US.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) |
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fatmanskinny
Premium
join:2004-01-04
Wandering | reply to puzzledCanadian
ROFLMAO!!! |
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA | reply to nozzer
Thank you. I thought 30x was a bit much. France is twice the size of Colorado. There are many, many rural areas. Just like the U.S. It's all about competition. |
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Bellunder
@teksavvy.com | reply to puzzledCanadian
But Canada would charge you more than what the average person earns in a year. Oh yes, and those nasty caps other countries don't have. |
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ejrobinson
Premium
join:2003-05-16
Miami Beach, FL | reply to Jonbo298
France is 1/5th the size of the usa. I suggest you learn some geography. Its population is over 60 million.
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ejrobinson
Premium
join:2003-05-16
Miami Beach, FL
 ·magicjack.com
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Bear in mind that a large part of the usa in virtually unhabited, like most of nevada, arizona, montana, etc. It it more meaningful to compare populations within accessible range of anything but dial-up. France also has significant areas with few people, such as the alps, by the way.
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ejrobinson
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join:2003-05-16
Miami Beach, FL
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The key to the rampant competition is that a single, non-political commission is in charge of regulation. In the usa there are the state utility commissions, all more or less politicized.
Further, france was a 3rd world country as regards phone service until the 1970s, when the whole system was rebuilt, so that the whole country is covered with recently laid telephone cables.
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