Re: Holy hell.... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19009888 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:27:34 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:27:34 EDT Re: Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19016121 ejrobinson : The key to the rampant competition is that a single, non-political commission is in charge of regulation. In the usa there are the state utility commissions, all more or less politicized.

Further, france was a 3rd world country as regards phone service until the 1970s, when the whole system was rebuilt, so that the whole country is covered with recently laid telephone cables.

-er]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19016121 Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:10:48 EDT Re: Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19016096 ejrobinson : Bear in mind that a large part of the usa in virtually unhabited, like most of nevada, arizona, montana, etc. It it more meaningful to compare populations within accessible range of anything but dial-up. France also has significant areas with few people, such as the alps, by the way.

-er]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19016096 Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:06:57 EDT Re: Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19016071 ejrobinson : France is 1/5th the size of the usa. I suggest you learn some geography. Its population is over 60 million.

-er]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19016071 Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:02:16 EDT Re: Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19013335 anon : But Canada would charge you more than what the average person earns in a year. Oh yes, and those nasty caps other countries don't have. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19013335 Wed, 05 Sep 2007 02:28:11 EDT Re: Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19012996 jjeffeory : Thank you. I thought 30x was a bit much. France is twice the size of Colorado. There are many, many rural areas. Just like the U.S. It's all about competition.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19012996 Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:36:27 EDT Re: Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19012589 fatmanskinny : ROFLMAO!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19012589 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:18:39 EDT Re: Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19011898 KrK :
said by Bill See Profile :

I wouldn't call the Central Valley even close to "dense"...
Well I dunno... In my travels... I've met several people there that I think "Dense" would describe nicely :D

Of course, I've met a lot of nice people there too. In fact, I'd say that pretty much rings true all over the US. :D
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19011898 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:33:29 EDT Re: Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19011773 KrK : Paris is a huge city and being umpteen whoknows how many centuries old, is not exactly an example of urban planning. In fact, it's downright crazy.

Yet, somehow, simply by the Government enforcing laws promoting competition (not enforcing monopolies like they do here) the result has been, well, stunning. The incumbents here complain it can't be done and that it's too expensive. The competition in urban cities worldwide like Paris, Japan, Korea, etc all prove otherwise. Competition is good... you just have to protect it in it's early stages from the giants who move to crush it, and allow the companies to get up and running and get well established, and then the fun begins!

Too bad, this is what would of happened here if the 1996 Telecommunications Act had been enforced and lobbyists hadn't killed it.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19011773 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:19:17 EDT Re: Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19010982 Bill :
said by puzzledCanadian :

the same thing SFO to LAX (a little bit less dense.)
I wouldn't call the Central Valley even close to "dense"...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19010982 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:27:29 EDT Re: Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19010963 Jonbo298 :
said by nozzer See Profile :

is it really that hard to type the question into Wikipedia before you get your facts wrong? (and you were almost 300% out) ;)
Yes, it is. I'm too lazy to do research for that ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19010963 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:24:26 EDT Re: Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19010832 wolfhouse : Population density is comparable to North Carolina though. The internet network is not even close.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19010832 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:03:18 EDT Re: Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19010309 nozzer : is it really that hard to type the question into Wikipedia before you get your facts wrong? (and you were almost 300% out) ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19010309 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:43:14 EDT Re: Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19010285 Jonbo298 :
said by nozzer See Profile :

US is around 2.8m sq miles if alaska is excluded, France is 212K. Not exactly 30 times, more like 12x, with 5x the population. If you look at rural vs city distribution the two are similar.
I'm sorry I didn't take the time to look up the exact amount :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19010285 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:38:44 EDT Re: Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19010277 nozzer : US is around 2.8m sq miles if alaska is excluded, France is 212K. Not exactly 30 times, more like 12x, with 5x the population. If you look at rural vs city distribution the two are similar.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19010277 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:36:48 EDT Re: Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19010073 nasadude :
said by Jonbo298 See Profile :

.. Though then again, France is about 1/30th the size of the US so its easier to get FTTH to everyone over there then it is over here.
no, that's not the reason they are getting this kind of broadband at this kind of price. It's because they have competition.

If being a small area means it's easy to get advanced broadband at low prices, why the hell don't San Francisco, New York, LA and other VERY DENSE cities in the U.S. have fast speeds at low prices?

The same studies that show the U.S. in 15th place or so in broadband have also normalized the data for population density - with few exceptions, there is no correlation between population density and broadband penetration, speed or price.

We have no real competition, so our broadband is going to continue to be more expensive and slower for a long time to come.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19010073 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:09:05 EDT This is PARIS they're talking about! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19009987 qworster : Paris is as LEAST as densely populated as New York or Los Angeles.

Your density argument does not apply in Paris.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19009987 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:54:05 EDT Re: Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19009897 bamabrad : AMEN!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19009897 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:39:59 EDT Re: Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19009888 HotRodFoto : who cares if it's 1/30th, offer it in metro areas. /end ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19009888 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:38:49 EDT Re: Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19009788 anon : I think lots of DSL reports should take a geography lesson.
90 % of the US population lives in very dense urban centers (Boston to DC corridor), pretty much the same thing SFO to LAX (a little bit less dense.)
The latency of deploying FTTH in the US and CANADA (Canada has 3 major cities where 50 % of the pop lives) has more to do with laziness, greed and inexisting gov regulations....

Go get a geography class !]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19009788 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:25:41 EDT Holy hell.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19009765 Jonbo298 : I think we all wish we could get that. Though then again, France is about 1/30th the size of the US so its easier to get FTTH to everyone over there then it is over here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19009765 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:20:28 EDT