| OK a question.... I have a question for those who say they are fine with this and this is Comcast's right, how far are you willing to let your ISP go with regulations in the name of 'saving bandwidth'. Would you accept your ISP if it started blocking Youtube because its a bandwidth hog? How about if they blocked all video sharing sites since they can all be called hogs, also they may contain illegal content. Would you still stand by your ISP's choice? My point being if you let them get by with such tactics as these whats to stop them from taking it further, much like a communistic government. What if all ISP's saw that Comcast got away with this and then mirrored throughout? Just some food for thought... |
|
|
|
Reviews:
 ·Comcast
·Charter
| said by Slither:My point being if you let them get by with such tactics as these whats to stop them from taking it further, much like a communistic government. Comcast is preventing you from violating your ToS on running a file sharing service and allowing 3rd parties to use and profit from it. They have never blocked you from accessing content on the Internet, they are blocking you from file sharing.
If you understand what communism is, you will see what you are asking for (government regulation of free enterprise) is actually closing in on communism vs. trying to prevent it. |
|
Reviews:
·Insight Communic..
| reply to Slither
P2P responsible for as much as 90% of web traffic. Go read about it right here:
»arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20···fic.html
The difference between Comcast doing this to BT and You Tube is this; people involved in legal activities are actually in a position to make an issue out of this where people involved in illegal activity aren't.
Yes, there are some legit uses of BT. Those that beat that drum know damn good and well that legal BT is spit in the bucket compared to the illegal BT traffic. It's like the bank robber calling the cops because a pick pocket got his wallet on the way out the door.
Video is moving to the Internet. Companies like Apple, Amazon, Wal-Mart and the like SELL downloads that are delivered online. Interrupt BT traffic, who cares. Get in the way of a legal transaction between me and Apple, now THAT is an issue.
I don't use BT so I could care less if it is throttled or not. I may not care about You Tube but I promise you that Google does AND I promise you that they have a large amount of space on their campus set aside for the lawyers that will respond to user complaints of throttling on their web traffic. See the difference? I didn't think you would. |
|
| reply to devnuller
said by devnuller:said by Slither:My point being if you let them get by with such tactics as these whats to stop them from taking it further, much like a communistic government. Comcast is preventing you from violating your ToS on running a file sharing service and allowing 3rd parties to use and profit from it. They have never blocked you from accessing content on the Internet, they are blocking you from file sharing. Then why do they allow video conferencing? You are "serving" video for others to see so that is running a server.
IM programs allow you to "upload" files to another person you are chatting with and, therefore, acting like a "server."
Doesn't matter what the content is (benign or illegal) but it you want to take the letter of the TOS, there are many programs that act as servers.  |
|
 telcolackey5The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA | There is a BIG difference between you running a short and relatively low bandwidth video conference vs. you letting the entire Internet download all the music, video and software that you have been collecting over the years 7x24. On top of that you are allowing 3rd parties to make money using "your" "free bandwidth" by selling their wares off your PC. |
|
| said by telcolackey5:There is a BIG difference between you running a short and relatively low bandwidth video conference vs. you letting the entire Internet download all the music, video and software that you have been collecting over the years 7x24. On top of that you are allowing 3rd parties to make money using "your" "free bandwidth" by selling their wares off your PC. The TOS makes no distinction.
And since when are BitTorrent files sold?  |
|
telcolackey5The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA | All P2P companies, video and CDNs are claiming that "bandwidth is free" as with P2P it is free to them because of people sharing their PC, hard drive and ISP bandwidth 7x24.
To broadband ISPs, this is not free and requires a large investment in capital to support someone else's revenue based content distribution.
»www.bittorrent.com/ |
|
| said by telcolackey5:All P2P companies, video and CDNs are claiming that "bandwidth is free" as with P2P it is free to them because of people sharing their PC, hard drive and ISP bandwidth 7x24. To broadband ISPs, this is not free and requires a large investment in capital to support someone else's revenue based content distribution. » www.bittorrent.com/ So not only does BitTorrent cost but so does every single program out there that uses any sort of bandwidth.
Again, you are making a distinction that the TOS does not. If I left my IM program on 24/7, that would be using bandwidth and, according to you, is not free. Also, those programs acts as servers too.
Also, if you give something away for free, how does that give someone revenue unless you are saying it is free advertising. |
|
 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | reply to telcolackey5
said by telcolackey5:On top of that you are allowing 3rd parties to make money using "your" "free bandwidth" by selling their wares off your PC. If I get a deal in the process, why not? Skype is such an example. While I'm waiting for my next call on Skype, my application is a P2P node and sometimes my **purchased** bandwidth is used to help other nodes make calls.
That Skype is a P2P network is not a secret, it's even more efficient that way. There is no reason that I shouldn't be allowed to use such applications on my broadband service.
--
Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon USA
Are you affected by Comcast's RST forging? How to test it! -or- Read my original report. |
|
