pokesph
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Sacramento, CA
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| untrained installers? so.. what would it take for Verizon to hire insatllers that actually know what they're doing?
Oh, thats right.. it would cost too much..
And burning down, blowing up, etc.. houses is an acceptable risk, right?
bust out and either PROPERLY train your outsourced installers or pay the wages for true, professional installation techs with the proper tools and knowledge to avoid problems like this.
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| Re: untrained installers? I'm looking forward to fiber arriving someday in my area. Hopefully the insurance costs will force Verizon and other companies to better train and manage their installers.
Put it in perspective: a few accidents in probably a huge number of installs. And they've paid for damage and as far as I know haven't injured any people yet. | |
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yabos
join:2003-02-16
Ingersoll, ON | No doubt you've never worked in construction. There's no way you can know where all the wires are in the wall especially low voltage wires. Yes you know they are near an outlet or switch but they can cross the wall anywhere and you don't know. | |
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join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
| Re: untrained installers? said by yabos  :No doubt you've never worked in construction. There's no way you can know where all the wires are in the wall especially low voltage wires. Yes you know they are near an outlet or switch but they can cross the wall anywhere and you don't know. Especially since romex seems to be more and more popular with housing construction.
I can can not believe it is acceptable under electrical codes.
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| Re: untrained installers? said by achuchma :said by yabos :No doubt you've never worked in construction. There's no way you can know where all the wires are in the wall especially low voltage wires. Yes you know they are near an outlet or switch but they can cross the wall anywhere and you don't know. Especially since romex seems to be more and more popular with housing construction. I can can not believe it is acceptable under electrical codes. Yep or installers who dont always follow 100% of the code and take short cuts.. I've seen it happen.
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| Re: untrained installers? said by Subaru :said by achuchma :said by yabos :No doubt you've never worked in construction. There's no way you can know where all the wires are in the wall especially low voltage wires. Yes you know they are near an outlet or switch but they can cross the wall anywhere and you don't know. Especially since romex seems to be more and more popular with housing construction. I can can not believe it is acceptable under electrical codes. Yep or installers who dont always follow 100% of the code and take short cuts.. I've seen it happen. Even when the VZ tech follows all the rules, who is to say that the person that installed the wiring that was damaged, did??
What is really needed is x-ray vision glasses - or tearing open the wall - so that these problems can be avoided. It'll never happen. These accidents happen to CATV installers, alarm techs, plumbers, electricians, etc., in short, to anyone that works in your home with cutting tools on a DAILY basis, professionals included.
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join:2003-02-16
Ingersoll, ON
| All the electrical wires going through wood studs I've seen here in Ontario are not BX. The only BX I've seen is in steel studded walls.
You should at least check what's on the other side of where you're drilling if you can. The article says he hit a wire which maybe he could have seen but usually you can't see any except in the basement if it's unfinished. | |
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TScheisskopf
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Belvidere, NJ
1 edit | Romex? I don't know about around you, but last I heard, it was banned as unsafe in NJ. | |
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cableties
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join:2005-01-27
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Re: untrained installers? said by TScheisskopf :Romex? I don't know about around you, but last I heard, it was banned as unsafe in NJ. Um no. Banned was "aluminum" wire. Romex is a brand name.
Here is more info on "Romex" wire and others...
»www.faqs.org/faqs/electrical-wir···n-5.html | |
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join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
| Re: untrained installers? Well, IMHO, Romex is junk too...I have been privy to too many "accidents" that happen because something cuts or pierces the wire.
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builderbob
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join:2003-02-16
Ingersoll, ON | Re: untrained installers? Yes I've tried one of those stud finders before and it doesn't work very well at all. It's possible they could have much better ones but the $50 one I've tried is pretty much worthless. | |
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Chuckles
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join:2006-03-04
Saint Paul, MN | WTF don't you know businesses exist to make profits and increase stocks. Training people and paying people is a stupid idea!
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Philly burbs | Guess they got to find out how long the back up battery in the ONT lasts....
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join:2001-04-29
Winter Park, FL
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| said by pokesph :so.. what would it take for Verizon to hire insatllers that actually know what they're doing? Oh, thats right.. it would cost too much.. And burning down, blowing up, etc.. houses is an acceptable risk, right? bust out and either PROPERLY train your outsourced installers or pay the wages for true, professional installation techs with the proper tools and knowledge to avoid problems like this. How can you possibly expect any provider doing an install to know the wiring plan of your house??? You, as a responsible home owner, should know where the electrical mains and wires are within the wall, right??? So can it. It has nothing to do with the knowledge the tech has about installs, and more to do with how the house is wired. NO installer for cable, telco, satellite, or anything other THAN the electric company, will know how your houses electrical system is wired, and even they might not have knowledge of your wiring. You can expect this to be more common than BBR/DSLR, and the AP knows about. 
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PoloDude
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join:2006-03-29
East Northport, NY
| You don't know what the F you are talking about.
Verizon instaltion techs are some of the best trained experienced techs going.
They are not outside contractors.
Many have years of experience doing instalations.
Do accidents happen? Yes. But run the #'s. How many techs a day doing work, drilling how many holes a day?
Odds are that as careful as you can be some one is going to hit something.
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1 edit | So a tech is suppose to know where exactly he can drill? Where are you to provide the blueprints of the home, I don't see anyone telling the installer where the lines of the house go through.
Just like Directv installers, they are going to install that dish where you can get the best reception and clear view of the sky, so if he starts drilling on the side of your wall and you did not tell him that the powerlines from the outside are right behind there, I believe if he survives should have every right to sue your ass for it.
It's like working blind, you can't tell what's behind the wall. If you don't have any blueprints they are going to break down the side of your house to see where the wiring goes or stick a mini camera in there if possible. That's what "professionals" do because they don't have time to be dicking around with some idiotic home owner who does not know what's behind his walls and someone get's hurt because of it. | |
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| said by pokesph :so.. what would it take for Verizon to hire insatllers that actually know what they're doing? Oh, thats right.. it would cost too much.. And burning down, blowing up, etc.. houses is an acceptable risk, right? bust out and either PROPERLY train your outsourced installers or pay the wages for true, professional installation techs with the proper tools and knowledge to avoid problems like this. Let me guess what you do. You live in your mother's basement and double click for porn. | |
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