Re: untrained installers? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19022883 en Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:45:30 EDT Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:45:30 EDT Re: untrained installers? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19047472 achuchma :
said by cableties See Profile :

Um no. Banned was "aluminum" wire. Romex is a brand name.

Here is more info on "Romex" wire and others...

»www.faqs.org/faqs/electrical-wir···n-5.html
Well, IMHO, Romex is junk too...I have been privy to too many "accidents" that happen because something cuts or pierces the wire.
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said by yabos See Profile :

No doubt you've never worked in construction. There's no way you can know where all the wires are in the wall especially low voltage wires. Yes you know they are near an outlet or switch but they can cross the wall anywhere and you don't know.
My thoughs exactly]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19028012 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:15:00 EDT Re: untrained installers? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19026125 batterup :
said by pokesph See Profile :

so.. what would it take for Verizon to hire insatllers that actually know what they're doing?

Oh, thats right.. it would cost too much..

And burning down, blowing up, etc.. houses is an acceptable risk, right?

bust out and either PROPERLY train your outsourced installers or pay the wages for true, professional installation techs with the proper tools and knowledge to avoid problems like this.
Let me guess what you do. You live in your mother's basement and double click for porn.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19026125 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:42:13 EDT Re: untrained installers? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19024819 anon : So a tech is suppose to know where exactly he can drill? Where are you to provide the blueprints of the home, I don't see anyone telling the installer where the lines of the house go through.

Just like Directv installers, they are going to install that dish where you can get the best reception and clear view of the sky, so if he starts drilling on the side of your wall and you did not tell him that the powerlines from the outside are right behind there, I believe if he survives should have every right to sue your ass for it.

It's like working blind, you can't tell what's behind the wall. If you don't have any blueprints they are going to break down the side of your house to see where the wiring goes or stick a mini camera in there if possible. That's what "professionals" do because they don't have time to be dicking around with some idiotic home owner who does not know what's behind his walls and someone get's hurt because of it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19024819 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:58:24 EDT Re: untrained installers? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19023883 PoloDude : You don't know what the F you are talking about.
Verizon instaltion techs are some of the best trained experienced techs going.
They are not outside contractors.
Many have years of experience doing instalations.
Do accidents happen? Yes. But run the #'s. How many techs a day doing work, drilling how many holes a day?
Odds are that as careful as you can be some one is going to hit something.
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said by Subaru See Profile :

said by achuchma See Profile :

said by yabos See Profile :

No doubt you've never worked in construction. There's no way you can know where all the wires are in the wall especially low voltage wires. Yes you know they are near an outlet or switch but they can cross the wall anywhere and you don't know.
Especially since romex seems to be more and more popular with housing construction.

I can can not believe it is acceptable under electrical codes.
Yep or installers who dont always follow 100% of the code and take short cuts.. I've seen it happen.
Even when the VZ tech follows all the rules, who is to say that the person that installed the wiring that was damaged, did??

What is really needed is x-ray vision glasses - or tearing open the wall - so that these problems can be avoided. It'll never happen. These accidents happen to CATV installers, alarm techs, plumbers, electricians, etc., in short, to anyone that works in your home with cutting tools on a DAILY basis, professionals included.


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said by pokesph See Profile :

so.. what would it take for Verizon to hire insatllers that actually know what they're doing?

Oh, thats right.. it would cost too much..

And burning down, blowing up, etc.. houses is an acceptable risk, right?

bust out and either PROPERLY train your outsourced installers or pay the wages for true, professional installation techs with the proper tools and knowledge to avoid problems like this.
How can you possibly expect any provider doing an install to know the wiring plan of your house??? You, as a responsible home owner, should know where the electrical mains and wires are within the wall, right??? So can it. It has nothing to do with the knowledge the tech has about installs, and more to do with how the house is wired. NO installer for cable, telco, satellite, or anything other THAN the electric company, will know how your houses electrical system is wired, and even they might not have knowledge of your wiring. You can expect this to be more common than BBR/DSLR, and the AP knows about. :uhh:
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said by TScheisskopf See Profile :

Romex? I don't know about around you, but last I heard, it was banned as unsafe in NJ.
Um no. Banned was "aluminum" wire. Romex is a brand name.

Here is more info on "Romex" wire and others...

»www.faqs.org/faqs/electrical-wir···n-5.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19023014 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:17:18 EDT Re: untrained installers? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19022998 N3OGH : Guess they got to find out how long the back up battery in the ONT lasts....
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You should at least check what's on the other side of where you're drilling if you can. The article says he hit a wire which maybe he could have seen but usually you can't see any except in the basement if it's unfinished.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19022598 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:17:20 EDT Re: untrained installers? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19022571 yabos : Yes I've tried one of those stud finders before and it doesn't work very well at all. It's possible they could have much better ones but the $50 one I've tried is pretty much worthless.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19022571 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:13:33 EDT Re: untrained installers? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19022504 anon : there is a way, use a stud finder that has AC locate. all employees here have one and know how to use it. it would be reckless to cut a hole without doing a survey and checking above ceiling and/or basement stud space for wires and/or pipes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19022504 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:03:03 EDT Re: untrained installers? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19022468 TJ_in_IL : True, but some of these reports are of the installer drilling into the service panel or the service drop, not a branch circuit. That is the troubling part!
I can't wait for fiber to come to my area. Hopefully one of these Highly Qualified installers will come, and burn down my house. New House on Verizon's dime!
Yippee!!!!
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said by achuchma See Profile :

said by yabos See Profile :

No doubt you've never worked in construction. There's no way you can know where all the wires are in the wall especially low voltage wires. Yes you know they are near an outlet or switch but they can cross the wall anywhere and you don't know.
Especially since romex seems to be more and more popular with housing construction.

I can can not believe it is acceptable under electrical codes.
Yep or installers who dont always follow 100% of the code and take short cuts.. I've seen it happen.
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said by yabos See Profile :

No doubt you've never worked in construction. There's no way you can know where all the wires are in the wall especially low voltage wires. Yes you know they are near an outlet or switch but they can cross the wall anywhere and you don't know.
Especially since romex seems to be more and more popular with housing construction.

I can can not believe it is acceptable under electrical codes.
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Put it in perspective: a few accidents in probably a huge number of installs. And they've paid for damage and as far as I know haven't injured any people yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19022271 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:29:02 EDT untrained installers? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19022242 pokesph : so.. what would it take for Verizon to hire insatllers that actually know what they're doing?

Oh, thats right.. it would cost too much..

And burning down, blowing up, etc.. houses is an acceptable risk, right?

bust out and either PROPERLY train your outsourced installers or pay the wages for true, professional installation techs with the proper tools and knowledge to avoid problems like this.
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