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tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
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nobody gonna pile-on right away..

Any cable company who is STILL using docsis 1.1 is TOO DAMN CHEAP to upgrade to docsis 3.0 right away. This is especially true for places where THERE IS NO REAL COMPETITION. AT&T-- no real competition, QWEST-- no real competition. The teeny tiny FTTP deployments outside of Verizon territory (some municipal deployments, some AT&T, QWEST micro deployment towns) but that's about it.. absolutely NO incentive to jump on that bandwagon until the likes of Time Warner & Cablevision jump on the docsis 3.0 hardware with rapid deployment, so that they bring costs of the hardware down.

Companies are also very stingy to bring higher bandwidth to residential customers for fear they'd actually USE it for purposes that would detract from company profits (3rd party services & p2p applications).

Amaranth

join:2006-12-21
Longueuil, QC

Videotron is an ISP that uses Docsis 1.1, and they will jump from 1.1 to 3.0 directly, it even is already there, just not widely open to the public yet.



LeftOfSanity
People Suck.

join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE

reply to tmc8080

said by tmc8080:

Any cable company who is STILL using docsis 1.1 is TOO DAMN CHEAP to upgrade to docsis 3.0 right away. This is especially true for places where THERE IS NO REAL COMPETITION. AT&T-- no real competition, QWEST-- no real competition. The teeny tiny FTTP deployments outside of Verizon territory (some municipal deployments, some AT&T, QWEST micro deployment towns) but that's about it.. absolutely NO incentive to jump on that bandwagon until the likes of Time Warner & Cablevision jump on the docsis 3.0 hardware with rapid deployment, so that they bring costs of the hardware down.

Companies are also very stingy to bring higher bandwidth to residential customers for fear they'd actually USE it for purposes that would detract from company profits (3rd party services & p2p applications).
Why upgrade to 2.o when 3.o is around the corner?

ace1974

join:2007-06-09
Goldsboro, NC

reply to tmc8080
Cable companies are going to be very dissapointed with the rate of subscription with docsis 3.0. Im a dsl tech for a telco now and use to be a HSI tech for a major cable company so I can factually say I've now worked it on both sides.. You not going to be seeing a lot of customers thats going to pay 120 a month for that speed tier, it's just not going to happen,,Dont get me wrong they will be a handful of bandwith hogs that will pay that kind of money but not many.. Honestly being that I do it everyday I can tell you that most business accounts dont even go with the highest tier..Why?? because their's no need to. Other than running some servers why in the hell besides just being a bandwith hog would you even need that much bandwith.

Hell if you were to mention even docsis 2.0 to customers they wouldnt have any idea what that means.. Look this is how it is,,The average cust is looking for a deal, they go with the best package for the money. Most customers dont give two shits about how much speed their getting as long as they can turn on their pc, email friends and family, and surf the web for a couple of hours after work. In other words a basic broadband connection. It's not everyday I see a customer that signs up for the highest tier, maybe a few her and there,,and it was the same way when I was a HSI tech for cable..You might think just because people boast Docsis 3.0 as the latest and greatest that everyone is going to jump on board to it but trust coming from someone that does it everyday,, most customers aren't going to pay that kind of money for internet service. Some will but most wont


fiberguy
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join:2005-05-20
kudos:3

Man,.. it sounds like you think you're the only one here that is in the industry... many people on this site are and are involved in various ways.

While I agree with you in SOME parts, not all.

Your basic assessment is true, how I don't believe it's as simple as you make it. There are going to be quite a few that do want the higher speeds. And yes, there are plenty of business customers that will use it as well.

The simple way to put it is that those who need it will buy it, and those that want the deal will continue looking for the deal.. but, that's nothing new and certainly not specific to cable and or DSL. (Man, did Bill AND OR Carolyn Slowsky just come flying, and or screaming out of my mouth? )

I don't think you see alot of people going for the higher cable tiers now because many people don't see the 2mb difference at $10 worth it. DSL, however, in this territory, is 1.5/3/5/7. After 1.5, it's 10 more for the highest available sync rate so many people DO spend more money because the 256 and 1.5 tiers are getting to be way too slow. Pretty soon, 1.5 won't even be able to be called "broadband" any more either.

But, I hate to say this.. your way of thinking is quickly out-dating. Many programs, network appliances, and other applications are needing more speed.. The "average customer" is in fact changing. In some areas, cable is subscribed higher than telephone even at a higher price.. also, remember, statements like yours bit a certain Bill Gates in the ass too when he tried to identify what the average person would need.

Since you were an "HSI" tech (High Speed Internet) which I think you meant "cable tv tech", you should know that DS3.0 is not JUST all about the internet.. in fact, it's not for the internet 'first' at all.. its about being able to get more services down the last mile to the customer. Sure, there will be more speeds to the customer, but don't expect tiers to go from 8 or 10 to 100 over night. The consumer is still only going to see speed jumps of 10mb at a time or abouts.. the rest will be used for video and other advanced services.
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ace1974

join:2007-06-09
Goldsboro, NC

I know what Docsis is and I was a HSI Tech you moron, Dont try and change what I said,,Your way of thinking is way overboard and thats why your still in a low paying cable tv tech installer position,,,,lol!!! Fiberguy??? Whatever,,you wouldnt know how to splice a single fiber if it slapped you in the face lol!!


fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
kudos:3

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What is funny is you have no idea not only who I am, what I do, have done, or ANYTHING, and you make the same vague assessments regarding me as you try to do regarding technology.

But, thank you for a good laugh.. we can always use those on Fridays!

P.S. Low paying? Man.. I'm glad that I can afford two homes with a worth of over 1.25m combined, of my own, not counting my rental property, among other toys to keep me happy. I don't like to brag about this kinda thing but felt you needed to be put in your place. I guess, as you say, all for splicing a single piece of fiber. How's that union telco position doing for you?

In the future, you may want to avoid the "I know what I'm talking about.. I am a tech" kinda statements in the future. You're not at Ask.com.... there are people around here, present company, that can bury you. For the record, my highest position was head end engineer.

Have a GREAT weekend!
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"Complaining is the least path of resistance for the self-serving, the lazy, and I’m told it’s a woman’s prerogative..."



hobgoblin
Sortof Agoblin
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join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
kudos:4

said by fiberguy:

In the future, you may want to avoid the "I know what I'm talking about.. I am a tech" kinda statements in the future. You're not at Ask.com.... there are people around here, present company, that can bury you. For the record, my highest position was head end engineer.

Have a GREAT weekend!
Always amusing when this happens eh?

Hob
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"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

ace1974

join:2007-06-09
Goldsboro, NC

reply to fiberguy
head end engineer,,thats funny. Thats basically a more technical term for a converter room clerk lol!!


fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
kudos:3

Yea.. I can see that. Very insightful! "Converter room clerk".. I can certainly see what you mean. I guess I never had anything to do with the installation, configuration, or maintenance of any of the head-end equipment at all.. I guess all those years I was nothing but a converter room clerk. "lol"

By the way, you do realize that converters don't get handled at the head end, right? they are in the warehouses in a whole different building.

Please.. Stop now before you embarrass yourself further. Its now more clear than EVER that you have ABSOLUTELY NO clue what you are talking about.
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"Complaining is the least path of resistance for the self-serving, the lazy, and I’m told it’s a woman’s prerogative..."


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