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Re: Comcast Bandwidth Abuse/Limits - Discuss here only There is a good article in the PC World Oct 2007 issue.
Companies to customers: your fired.
Just a couple from that article.
Sprint Nextel terminated 1200 customers for excessive service calls
AT&T has kicked off cell phone users who roam or use data services too frequently.
Now these are not too much bandwidth usage issue, but it does show what companies are doing now.
Verizon EvDO high speed wireless data services terminates people if there usage is regularly 5 gig or more per month.
Verizon only does this if their warnings to the customer are ignored. Does that sound familiar to the people who got the letter from Comcast.
Verizon has also cancelled the accounts of callers who are "extremely abusive" to customer service representatives.
So Comcast is not the only company dumping customers.
This appears to be the way things are going to be from now on so quit bitching about what isn't and accept what is. |
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| said by Wayne99021:reply to dogcacher quit bitching about what isn't and accept what is. Who's bitching? |
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| Sorry:
That wasn't meant for one person, it was meant for all the people who complain about Comcast and bandwidth limits.
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What good is measuring your usage, when you don't know when to cut your usage?
I count every bit that goes to and from my cable modem. This does nothing except to satisfy my curiosity regarding how much data is transferred via my cable modem. I still have no idea about how much is "too much". All I can do is be sure I am not adversely affecting my node (by throttling it back), and speculate on what is "reasonable and prudent". I can transfer quite a bit of data, while throttled back, and no one on my node will see any increased latency.
Can anyone tell me at what point I should stop using the connection? |
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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:6 | said by AnotherGuy :
All I can do is be sure I am not adversely affecting my node (by throttling it back), and speculate on what is "reasonable and prudent". I can transfer quite a bit of data, while throttled back, and no one on my node will see any increased latency.
Can anyone tell me at what point I should stop using the connection?
In order to illustrate my point, I've been using some humor and sarcasm in this thread -- so it's hard to know when to take me literally.
Take this literally: I think you'll be fine.
Hobgoblin is right that the customers who are running at full-bore 24/7 slow the service for their neighbors. Comcast is not on a campaign to disconnect power users just because they're power users. If the neighbors are not complaining, and if you're not the cause of their issues, you're going to be fine.
By throttling back responsibly, you are taking into account the shared nature of this service and you are respecting your neighbor's right to enjoy it.
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Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon USA
Are you affected by Comcast's RST forging? How to test it! -or- Read my original report. |
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 RyanPremium
join:2001-03-03
Quincy, MA | reply to Wayne99021
said by Wayne99021:There is a good article in the PC World Oct 2007 issue. Companies to customers: your fired. Just a couple from that article. Sprint Nextel terminated 1200 customers for excessive service calls AT&T has kicked off cell phone users who roam or use data services too frequently. Now these are not too much bandwidth usage issue, but it does show what companies are doing now. Verizon EvDO high speed wireless data services terminates people if there usage is regularly 5 gig or more per month. Verizon only does this if their warnings to the customer are ignored. Does that sound familiar to the people who got the letter from Comcast. Verizon has also cancelled the accounts of callers who are "extremely abusive" to customer service representatives. So Comcast is not the only company dumping customers. This appears to be the way things are going to be from now on so quit bitching about what isn't and accept what is. That is a completely different argument then what comcast is doing.
A. all the services are not monopolies there are others availible for most people.
B. the wireless infastructure is different then standard isps. To download more then 5 gis on a cell is insane if not imposible.
c. sprint and nextel terminated these people due to service related issues. They releived them from their contract so that they did not have to pay early contract fees which imho is a customer service move. |
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| What you are saying may be true as I am just going by what the article says.
Your B. is not correct as Verizon EvDO is wireless internet, I know this for a fact as my daughter is 2100 feet from the nearest Comcast hookup and rather than going dialup she went Verizon wireless internet, so the 5 gig is not impossible. |
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 EGThe wings of lovePremium
join:2006-11-18
Union, NJ
kudos:9 | reply to dogcacher
said by dogcacher:said by funchords:So you shouldn't be able to download e-mail into Outlook Express or get OS updates from Microsoft unless you're warming the seat in front of your computer? May I synchronize my clock using NTP or request a DHCP renewal while I'm walking the dog? That is about as lame as it gets. Consume 500 GB checking mail, getting updates, synchronizing clocks and renewing DHCP? Uh huh, get real. You don't get it  |
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1 edit | said by EG: You don't get it
Oh, that's a big help.
I get it alright. I understand the effects of a few bandwidth hogs on a shared network, I understand that it is impossible for a Comcast residential customer to download that amount of data without getting into the illegal activities of copyright infringement and porn.
Now, what is it you claim I 'don't get?' |
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RyanPremium
join:2001-03-03
Quincy, MA | The problem is dont beleive that is true anymore esspecially if there are multiple users in a household and if they use streaming services. Many can stream "HD" movies and music which sucks up tons of bandwidth depedning on how much you use it. Things like youtube and vpn also will eat up bandwidth. |
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 skyjock41Shag DieselPremium
join:2001-12-11
Patrick Afb, FL | reply to Wayne99021
said by Wayne99021:Verizon has also cancelled the accounts of callers who are "extremely abusive" to customer service representatives. Good to keep that in mind.......you dont want to pay a termination fee for breaking your contract just call up and call the CSR every dirty name in the book. Wonder if that will work with Dish Network........ |
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Well, I hope I don't get tagged for over use. My son uses the computer in the afternoon. I use it in the evening, my wife works 2nd shift so she uses it late night and my daughter during the day. I believe this is a legitimate use of bandwidth but my computer is working almost 24/7, do I have anything to worry about? |
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dogcatcher,
you are living in a world of your own, I present for you viewing pleasure:
1. dvd downloads (ala' amazon.com)
2. other online video services
3. IPTV
4. Software downloads to include .iso files (i.e. linux distributions)
the list goes on....
today I downloaded the following:
a linux distro at 4.34gb (a DVD)
a trial version of office 2007 (750mb)
and two movies from amazon (each around 1gb)
so what's illegal here? think before you open your mouth and accuse people of illegal activity. My comcast bandwidth usage last month (according to them) was around 450gb. Who cares? I paid for unlimited so I should get unlimited. |
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| said by paco :
dogcatcher,
today I downloaded the following:
a linux distro at 4.34gb (a DVD)
a trial version of office 2007 (750mb)
and two movies from amazon (each around 1gb)
so what's illegal here? think before you open your mouth and accuse people of illegal activity. My comcast bandwidth usage last month (according to them) was around 450gb. Who cares? I paid for unlimited so I should get unlimited.
Not a thing wrong with your activities today and it falls far short of the 450 you did last month. 6 gigs today is a rate of 180 a month or 40% of last month's rate.
I want to see your 'unlimited' agreement with Comcast. Show it to me. You might have trouble with this one since there is no such thing.
You paid for 'fair use' and you don't own Comcast so you play by their rules or get another provider.
Doesn't it get a little boring downloading a new Linux distro every day? Enjoy life, go for the porn. |
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funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:6
2 edits | said by dogcacher:I want to see your 'unlimited' agreement with Comcast. Show it to me. You might have trouble with this one since there is no such thing. He doesn't have an unlimited agreement with Comcast -- he has a limited one, however, and he is within those limits!
Link to page
So 6 Mbps is the limit. It describes a specific amount, and a specific duration. There are no other limits discussed on this page, or any page that links to it.
6 Mbps!
6 Mbps of bandwidth. Yes, that's a lot! But it's what Comcast felt it had to offer in order to compete, and so they offered it.
Last month, he used 450 GB, which is 1.34 Mbps, far less than his limit of 6 Mbps.
Unless he is also bogging down the network -- I don't see where anybody -- including Comcast -- has any right to complain about it.
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You paid for 'fair use' and you don't own Comcast so you play by their rules or get another provider.
Comcast doesn't have a "Fair Use" policy, or anything that resembles one. As far as most customers know, they have an exclusive right to use the 6 Mbps bandwidth that they purchased.
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Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon USA
Are you affected by Comcast's RST forging? How to test it! -or- Read my original report. |
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| This thread has turned into a waste of time and space.
I doubt if anyone is getting anything useful out of it. |
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 telcolackey5The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA
1 edit | "greedy private corporations."
"Its all about greed."
"monopoly"
"need competition"
"caps"
These messages will be regurgitated over and over until the inevitable day usage tiered billing is in place to address the obvious tipping point in broadband around usage vs. max speed. When that day comes, all "cap" discussion will end as heavy (100xAverage) consumption will be funded by the heavy users.
It won't hurt innovation as apps will get more efficient. (imagine if disk space and memory was unlimited). But it will address leaving the faucet on and will pay for the capital to carry all the requested bits.
Then 99% of all users will get a fast service at a good price and the 1% will start complaining about the next thing they want unlimited for free.... electricity. no. water. no. gasoline. no. wireless minutes. no. Air. (you can buy that in a can in Denver)
Opinions... yes the one thing we will always get for free |
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| Does the Comcast business package have any limits? I'd consider paying extra if I didn't have to be worried about getting cut off for downloading too much. |
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Comcast mentions in their advertising "unlimited" usage. I have a copy of the advertisement by the way.
I paid for the higher bandwidth option, 8mbps I believe so I expect to be able to use it. I see nothing in their terms of service that places any limits whatsoever.
Where is the common sense here? why would you offer a high internet speed and then not allow people to download to their hearts content? The funny thing is, I've been keeping the same download rates for years and have never heard a peep from comcast. Now all of the sudden it's an issue? I'm not a big porn downloader by the way, it's not interesting enough anymore.
Verizon FIOS cannot come to my neighborhood fast enough. |
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 hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
kudos:8 | "Comcast mentions in their advertising "unlimited" usage. I have a copy of the advertisement by the way."
We cant wait for the scan in this thread.
Hob
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"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
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