CSU
join:2002-10-21
Lagrange, GA | Re: Suprised! There's not anything wrong with the iPhone. I think it's a great stylish phone. The problem is the cell company. It seems that all cell companies can take a great phone and screw it up. AT&T was lucky enough to have apple bring their product to them and no other company. I can't even imagine how T-Mobile would have screwed things up. |
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| Actually AT&T was what was left after others turned down the iPhone. There was no luck involved here. Other than that you are absolutely right. I think the damn cell phone companies need to stop screwing around with the phones and let them work as intended. |
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| said by ender7074:Actually AT&T was what was left after others turned down the iPhone. There was no luck involved here. Other than that you are absolutely right. I think the damn cell phone companies need to stop screwing around with the phones and let them work as intended. Why are you saying that every other cell phone company turned down the iPhone? AFAIK, the only other company that Apple approached when developing iPhone was Verizon, and they were actually trying to work out a deal, but it ultimately fell through. So then Apple went with AT&T instead.
IMO, Apple should have simply sold them unlocked. That would have allowed them to sell them to both AT&T and T-Mobile customers. Plus they could have made a CDMA version of it for Verizon and Sprint customers as well. Of course, CDMA phones are not as easy to activate as GSM ones, but it's still only a matter of trip to the carrier's store or a phone call to have them program the phone's ESN with customer's account.
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 Jim GurdPremium
join:2000-07-08
Plymouth, MI | said by Pirate515:Apple should have simply sold them unlocked. That would have allowed them to sell them to both AT&T and T-Mobile customers. I can't figure out why they didn't. That would have given them far more potential sales. Since it supports Edge only they could have made a quad band, unlocked version that could have been sold worldwide. Very shortsighted of them not to do so.
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 CylonRedPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County | reply to Pirate515
AT&T was the only one who would give up their ability to decide what would be on the phone and instead give that power to Apple. They were the only ones willing to give that up so there is less luck to do with it. |
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| said by CylonRed:AT&T was the only one who would give up their ability to decide what would be on the phone and instead give that power to Apple. They were the only ones willing to give that up so there is less luck to do with it. I think apple is the only company they would do that for. I read about ATT's endeavors with the RAZR2. Apparently they cannot add online media functions, and with a ton more restrictions on it.
Lemme find the link !
»www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2170266,00.asp |
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 en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to Jim Gurd
It was kind of a 'double' lock. Phones had to be registered through Apple (iTunes?) if I'm not mistaken.
Sounds like there was a bit of a power struggle on this one.
AT&T wants the cool phone (sans 3G thanks to Apple), and locks the WiFi to require AT&T subscription.
Apple wants revenue from both iTunes and hardware sales, and requires registration through iTunes.
While I don't agree with this not being a 3G phone, I do like that it is GSM, and usable worldwide. A CDMA variant would be good in the US/Canada/South Korea/Mexico and a few other places. Face it.. GSM globally has 2.5billion subscribers, CDMA 387 million. More than a 6:1 advantage by population.
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en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to CylonRed
Well, lets do the general 'why'
1. Verizon wouldn't give up control (Verizon likes their restricted UI). Apple would probably do well with their locking down of the device though. Apple in the long run wouldn't do as well, as iPhone CDMA restricts sales/usability to US vs. globally (GSM).
2. T-Mobile would probably do well, as they are GSM/EDGE, however have only 1/2 the subs of AT&T or Verizon. Apple wants lots of sales (obviously).
3. Sprint - CDMA - would be good for data, however, Sprint doesn't have a large native network. Sprint /EVDO would do very well, however Sprint is in too much state of flux, and high churn in general. (CDMA, iDEN, WiMAX, etc) Apple would want more subs, and more 'global' presence. Won't happen with Sprint.
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CylonRedPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County | As far as I know - #1 applies to every cell carrier in the US (other than AT&T now but just for the iPhone). AT&T had the pockets and agreed not to lock up the phone while none of the others had the pockets or wanted to give up the control.
In the US it is SOP to have the phone company decide what the phone can do and in Europe - it is usually the other way around... |
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said by CSU:There's not anything wrong with the iPhone. I think it's a great stylish phone. Shhh, be careful. The Apple haters on this site (and the rest of the internet) are so blinded by their irrational and illogical hatred of Apple and its products any sort of logical argument, like personal preference, is pointless. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to en102
Sprint locks down their phone's more than ANYONE. You can't even buy a 3rd party phone to use in their network if it doesn't explicitly say SPRINT on it. |
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 Bumpin1ohmBumpin1ohmPremium
join:2002-07-15
Aurora, CO | same with verizon, qwest, helio, alltel, and all major nationwide cdma carriers. u have the exception of companies like cricket that dont care, but they are the exception not the rule.
plus it keeps down customer service calls. "why wont my picture messaging/internet/email/other enhanced services work?" answer: BECAUSE YOUR TRYING TO BE CHEAP. sure you can take a samsung u740 and make it function on cricket, but not with picture messaging and wap (yet...)
when you restrict your own devices to access the network it keeps more meaningless customer service calls off the line, open for real problems.
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | Actually Verizon lets you use non-Verizon unlocked phones on their network. They just have to be CDMA phones. Sprint keeps a list of (lets call them serial numbers) of all phones sold with sprint logo's, and only those will work on their network.
They don't care about customer service. They want to be able to overcharge you for obsolete phones in their inventories. There is little difference in customer service satisfaction between GSM and CDMA carriers. |
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