elvey
Spamassassin
join:2001-02-17
San Francisco, CA
 ·Pacific Bell - SBC
 ·Comcast
·SONIC.NET
1 edit | reply to Ahrenl
Re: waiting for the other shoe to fall...
Actually, I'm fairly familiar with Gross Profit, Net income, EBITDA, etc, and why different metrics are emphasized at times. I just don't use them on a regular basis.
When you're talking about a regulated monopoly, different metrics are important; the normal metrics are distorted. |
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satellite68
join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY
| reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25  :So you don't agree with me, but dont come here calling me an idiot because my opinion differs from yours clown. For every positive you can provide for having universal healthcare I can give you a negative effect on society to the same magnitude. Just as for every other handout that occurs in this country. A vast majority of all problems in every nation is the direct result of "crutching" the nation and it's people from a social and economical standpoint. The laws of nature will prevail. We may be able to slow it down or distort it, but they will prevail. And the greatest law of nature is the process of natural selection whether you like it or not or want to accept it or not. Spoken like a true turd polisher and/or someone who doesn't have a handicapped or ill relative. Funny how universal health care seems to work just fine outside of our borders. Our system is the most expensive in the world, and we're the fattest pigs on the planet, not to mention with much shorter life spans. Yeah, that's a system I want to continue forever and ever. When will the mantra "it makes money, it must be good!" go away? Natural selection?! WTF is that? Who the fuck appointed you guardian of the universal truth? Why are you annoited as the arbinger of who gets fixed and who doesn't? |
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satellite68
join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY
| reply to beerbum
said by beerbum :said by satellite68 :Let's see how long it takes someone to build a competing network. Say, a hundred years? it took Commonwealth Telephone (now Frontier) about 1 year to completely wire my city of 80,000+ , and another year to add the northern suburbs.. they have their own telco network which is independent of Verizon.. bottom line it can be done, problem is nobody wants to pay to do it. Yes, a competing network that has a national footprint will take about one year to build. Sheesh. And I have a bridge to sell you... |
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telecompro
@bellsouth.net
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Well it is obvious that you do not understand the regulations concerning the delivery of a local loop by the telcos. The ILECs (Incumbent Local Exchange Carriers, which are at times also RBOCs - Regional Bell Operating Companies) have exclusive access to provide lines in a given area. In exchange for that exclusive access, they are now required to make available those lines to CLECs to encourage competition and innovation. The initial access was considered FCC or special access, ordered through an ASR. That version required the payment by the CLEC for services that weren't needed, such as muxing on top of the line charges. Enter UNEs (unbundled network elements), where only the equipment and line required to deliver the service would need to be charged to the CLEC. UNE lines effectively permit a CLEC to compete in locations that otherwise would fall under a monopoly status.
The problem with a monopoly is that you as the consumer are then unable to switch to someone else to avoid sub-par performance at prime prices. Would you pay top new mercedez-benz prices for a 10 year old crunched up old Kia? I think not, however, prior to the deregulation of the Telecom industry, that is exactly what happened and there was very little that a consumer could do about it. Now there is a choice, you may switch your service to another provider. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| reply to Skippy25
For EVERY thing in life that is positive I can give you a negative. Want to know what gives you most of the positives and negatives? The people do directly. I won't go into the lengthly reasons why because it would take an entire disk array here.
However, I take personal exception to anyone that takes the high and mighty route.
Let me pose it to you this way. Do you, I, or any one person or group of people have the ability to perform medical research to the level required in order to sustain their own life? No. At this time, only the government will grant those groups or entities the right or permission to enter into such research.
Health care IS a right in this nation. We don't create the illnesses and other things that affect our lives. Besides all of that, it is one of our basic civil rights that we ALL have in this country; health care.
Please don't confuse natural selection with this topic. We have the ability to cure many different types of illness. We have the ability to make people better after an accident.. When you approach on natural selection, I've got news for you, that's your own opinion and belief system and not everyone subscribes to it.
But beyond that, your post stated: "before they provide blanket healthcare coverage that will simply be consumed by those that for the most part do nothing to deserve it." who are you to determine who did something to "deserve it" or not? I guarantee you that there are people much higher up on the ladder that would say the same thing about you and what you consume versus put into the system.
You step on a very dangerous cliff with your statement.
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| reply to fiberguy
So you don't agree with me, but dont come here calling me an idiot because my opinion differs from yours clown.
For every positive you can provide for having universal healthcare I can give you a negative effect on society to the same magnitude. Just as for every other handout that occurs in this country. A vast majority of all problems in every nation is the direct result of "crutching" the nation and it's people from a social and economical standpoint. The laws of nature will prevail. We may be able to slow it down or distort it, but they will prevail. And the greatest law of nature is the process of natural selection whether you like it or not or want to accept it or not. |
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
USA
| reply to supergirl
Even if the Telcos are not getting any government support to build out any more (we'll leave the USF for others) they still generated huge blocks of their existing infrastructure on taxpayer subsidy. Since line sharing on just that infrastructure really isn't feasible (figuring out what's new vs old), perhaps the Telco's should pay the gov back for the amount of subsidy received plus any additional revenue generated off of the infrastructure where they didn't achieve the promised service levels. |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | reply to supergirl
THAT is horseshit. Are you so naive to think that RBOCs don't operate in rural areas? They get TONS of USF money.
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25 : But then again I am one that would declare all networks should be confiscated . Thank you Hugo Chavez, we all know communism works. |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to cwire
said by cwire :while talking to a local public schools I.T. man, we began discussing the price of the ds-3 that the school system was purchasing from at&t. the price he told me seemed really low to me, so i asked how this could be. he said that the school only pays 25% of it's at&t bill, and the rest of the money, 75% to be exact comes from the usf fund. i don't know if this is how it is set up for all school systems, but that 75% funding seems like it could take a big chunk of usf money. The USF only goes to the great-unwashed. New Jersey gets ZERO. |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to morbo
said by morbo :with taxpayer support, of course. I have 1/2 a brain and know that is TeleLies B.S. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to elvey
said by elvey :I don't see the word 'profit' in my post. said by elvey :They took in 63 BILLION DOLLARS last year. They made a gross profit of 28 BILLION DOLLARS last year. Sheesh. What you take in is 'revenue'. Doh. Source: » finance.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=T It was there even AFTER you edited out the Trillion dollar statement, which, btw, showed you have no idea what you're talking about since I believe the entire world's annual GDP is only around $50 trillion. Regardless, as I stated, Gross profit is a meaningless metric. Net Income is what you're looking for. Or just revenue. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
1 edit | reply to Skippy25
Dream on!
Fiber, Skippy, is NEVER going to be a "RIGHT".. Health care, my confused friend, IS a right in this country... it's just POORLY handled right now..
There are just certain things that are only big enough for the government to handle.. health care is one of them. Much of our research, in case people forget, comes from government institutions where the technology is then passed or sold to private companies for advancement (and often killed because the technology would kill their existing profits)
.. none the less, I am embarrassed for you that you'd even make such an idiotic statement that you did.
If and when you get some sort of illness that weakens you to the point you can't work, thus pay your health coverage plan costs, tell us just how well you are doing.. and then tell us again why exactly you don't deserve it.. alright..?
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| reply to Sammer
Maybe prayer will heal the sick and ill too and some of the science like gene therapy is just evil.. how well is that working for us?
I'd rather have a definite over a maybe when it comes to people having access to health care.
Economics are not going to suddenly grow, or be lead to growth, by installing a nationwide fiber network.. sorry, that only happens on techie dream blogs and in fantasy.
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"Complaining is the least path of resistance for the self-serving, the lazy, and I’m told it’s a woman’s prerogative..." |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| reply to supergirl
said by supergirl :SD6 - funny the cable analogy wasn't acknowleged. If cable doesn't have to do it, why do the telcos? Why? Cable paid for their infrustructure with private funds. Telephone was not 100% private funds. People love to talk about how cable was able to 'negotiate' an exclusive deal (most people forget the word NEGOTIATE) however, phone was always granted a monopoly and then partially funded.
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StickToTheFacts
@cox.net
| reply to nklb
The routing was difficult to setup, but it got you 5 static IPs that you could route however you wanted on your LAN! Sorry, that's right, you could use a third party, but for most people it was difficult enough that it wasn't worth all the added effort and using the Telocity issued modem made sense.
The point is that there weren't massive numbers of people signing up and canceling service with Bellsouth in order to get a free modem to use with Telocity. Telocity provided modems to their users. |
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beerbum
Premium
join:2000-05-06
Reading, PA
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1 edit | reply to satellite68
said by satellite68 :Let's see how long it takes someone to build a competing network. Say, a hundred years? it took Commonwealth Telephone (now Frontier) about 1 year to completely wire my city of 80,000+ , and another year to add the northern suburbs.. they have their own telco network which is independent of Verizon..
bottom line it can be done, problem is nobody wants to pay to do it. |
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
·Comcast
| reply to King P
I think you are referring to the E-Rate that was to subsides internet services to schools and Libraries not Private homes. It seems it was pushed under the guise of universal service. The problem was the money ended up being wasted by the bureaucracy like the school spent $500,000 system that more needed by a major corporation rather than a school and had spent another $500,000 for support and training when a cheep solution that cold had met the schools need could been bought for $50,000 |
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elvey
Spamassassin
join:2001-02-17
San Francisco, CA
2 edits | reply to elvey
I don't see the word 'profit' in my post.
What you take in is 'revenue'.
Doh. Source: »finance.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=T |
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nklb
Premium
join:2000-11-17
Ann Arbor, MI
clubs:
| reply to StickToTheFacts
said by StickToTheFacts :
Using a third party modem with Telocity did not work. Not true! I had Telocity almost from the beginning of their existence and all the way through the DirectTV acquisition, and you COULD use an alternative modem.
I used a plain copper mountain SDSL bridge modem connected to a linux box for routing and server hosting. The routing was difficult to setup, but it got you 5 static IPs that you could route however you wanted on your LAN!
That was the best connection I ever had, 768k SDSL. Not as fast to download large files as my junky comcast connection is now, but I would trade back for it in a heartbeat. So much more reliable, so much better performing with high numbers of connections, and it never once went down due to an outage.
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