King P
Don't blame me. I voted for Ron Paul
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join:2004-11-17
Inman, SC
 ·Windstream
 ·Charter Pipeline
1 edit | reply to SD6
Re: waiting for the other shoe to fall...
said by SD6  :said by King P :If you remember, the 1996 telecom act also gave the Telcos BILLIONS of dollars with which they were to have FIBER OPTICS laid to every home in their footprint by 2004. Well, its 2007 and where's my fiber line to my house? Just in case there is anybody out there who might be tempted to believe/repeat this, it is SOOOO untrue. »www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm···isid=186
There...is that clear enough for you?
*edit* oh and here's more:
Pennsylvania: Teletruth Files 'Broadband Fraud' Complaint
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···id=46736
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elvey
Spamassassin
join:2001-02-17
San Francisco, CA | reply to morbo
True! |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
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said by SD6 :[The telcos don't have to share their recent deployments... that's because the FCC was successfully lobbied by Verizon to exempt fiber from sharing reqts. And a little bit of "we won't build it if you don't exempt it" threats. |
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elvey
Spamassassin
join:2001-02-17
San Francisco, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
·Comcast
·SONIC.NET
1 edit | reply to supergirl
Umm... AT&T is a government authorized and protected monopoly. If that isn't government support, I don't know what is.
They took in 63 BILLION DOLLARS last year.
They made a gross profit of 28 BILLION DOLLARS last year.
Sheesh. |
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SD6
join:2005-03-26 | reply to King P
Ahh, another unfortunate ignorant caught in the clutches of Teletruth. Their complaint was thrown out of court and they have been debunked. The claims just get more and more grandiose with time... |
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StickToTheFacts
@cox.net
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said by supergirl :Telocity was around for about 3 minutes and 45 seconds. It's customers ordered DSL from BellSouth for the free modems then switched to Telocity. I wonder if that was Telocity's idea or a way not to pay Telocity for a modem since they didn't give them away ("A modem is $300 but you could order BellSouth DSL and get a free modem and always just switch to us"). So, BellSouth eventually went back and nailed those folks for $200-300 for the modems. Okay, let's stick to the facts here...
1. Telocity provided modems to their customers at no cost.
2. Telocity modems were designed and provisioned BY TELOCITY at their office, so in order to use Telocity, you needed to use a Telocity modem. Using a third party modem with Telocity did not work.
3. Please provide proof that Telocity customers ordered Bellsouth services for the modems and then switched to Telocity where the Bellsouth provided modem would do no good (see #2). |
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StickToTheFacts
@cox.net
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said by SD6 :Ahh, another unfortunate ignorant caught in the clutches of Teletruth. Their complaint was thrown out of court and they have been debunked. The claims just get more and more grandiose with time... Doesn't change the fact that certain Bell companies promised one thing and failed to deliver it... |
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StickToTheFacts
@cox.net | reply to elvey
Please provide a link that shows ATT had a 28 TRILLION dollar profit ?
Are you sure you didn't mean BILLION? And even then, 28 Billion in profits is suspect. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
1 edit | reply to elvey
2006
AT&T net sales: $63B (as in billion)
Op Inc: $10B
Net Inc: $7.356B
Gross profit is a meaningless statistic. |
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cwire
join:2007-06-07
Bedford, KY
·AT&T Southeast
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while talking to a local public schools I.T. man, we began discussing the price of the ds-3 that the school system was purchasing from at&t. the price he told me seemed really low to me, so i asked how this could be. he said that the school only pays 25% of it's at&t bill, and the rest of the money, 75% to be exact comes from the usf fund. i don't know if this is how it is set up for all school systems, but that 75% funding seems like it could take a big chunk of usf money. |
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nklb
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join:2000-11-17
Ann Arbor, MI
clubs:
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said by StickToTheFacts :
Using a third party modem with Telocity did not work. Not true! I had Telocity almost from the beginning of their existence and all the way through the DirectTV acquisition, and you COULD use an alternative modem.
I used a plain copper mountain SDSL bridge modem connected to a linux box for routing and server hosting. The routing was difficult to setup, but it got you 5 static IPs that you could route however you wanted on your LAN!
That was the best connection I ever had, 768k SDSL. Not as fast to download large files as my junky comcast connection is now, but I would trade back for it in a heartbeat. So much more reliable, so much better performing with high numbers of connections, and it never once went down due to an outage.
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elvey
Spamassassin
join:2001-02-17
San Francisco, CA
2 edits | reply to elvey
I don't see the word 'profit' in my post.
What you take in is 'revenue'.
Doh. Source: »finance.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=T |
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
·Comcast
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I think you are referring to the E-Rate that was to subsides internet services to schools and Libraries not Private homes. It seems it was pushed under the guise of universal service. The problem was the money ended up being wasted by the bureaucracy like the school spent $500,000 system that more needed by a major corporation rather than a school and had spent another $500,000 for support and training when a cheep solution that cold had met the schools need could been bought for $50,000 |
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beerbum
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join:2000-05-06
Reading, PA
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1 edit | reply to satellite68
said by satellite68 :Let's see how long it takes someone to build a competing network. Say, a hundred years? it took Commonwealth Telephone (now Frontier) about 1 year to completely wire my city of 80,000+ , and another year to add the northern suburbs.. they have their own telco network which is independent of Verizon..
bottom line it can be done, problem is nobody wants to pay to do it. |
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StickToTheFacts
@cox.net
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The routing was difficult to setup, but it got you 5 static IPs that you could route however you wanted on your LAN! Sorry, that's right, you could use a third party, but for most people it was difficult enough that it wasn't worth all the added effort and using the Telocity issued modem made sense.
The point is that there weren't massive numbers of people signing up and canceling service with Bellsouth in order to get a free modem to use with Telocity. Telocity provided modems to their users. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
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said by supergirl :SD6 - funny the cable analogy wasn't acknowleged. If cable doesn't have to do it, why do the telcos? Why? Cable paid for their infrustructure with private funds. Telephone was not 100% private funds. People love to talk about how cable was able to 'negotiate' an exclusive deal (most people forget the word NEGOTIATE) however, phone was always granted a monopoly and then partially funded.
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
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Maybe prayer will heal the sick and ill too and some of the science like gene therapy is just evil.. how well is that working for us?
I'd rather have a definite over a maybe when it comes to people having access to health care.
Economics are not going to suddenly grow, or be lead to growth, by installing a nationwide fiber network.. sorry, that only happens on techie dream blogs and in fantasy.
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
1 edit | reply to Skippy25
Dream on!
Fiber, Skippy, is NEVER going to be a "RIGHT".. Health care, my confused friend, IS a right in this country... it's just POORLY handled right now..
There are just certain things that are only big enough for the government to handle.. health care is one of them. Much of our research, in case people forget, comes from government institutions where the technology is then passed or sold to private companies for advancement (and often killed because the technology would kill their existing profits)
.. none the less, I am embarrassed for you that you'd even make such an idiotic statement that you did.
If and when you get some sort of illness that weakens you to the point you can't work, thus pay your health coverage plan costs, tell us just how well you are doing.. and then tell us again why exactly you don't deserve it.. alright..?
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
 ·Verizon FIOS
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said by elvey :I don't see the word 'profit' in my post. said by elvey :They took in 63 BILLION DOLLARS last year. They made a gross profit of 28 BILLION DOLLARS last year. Sheesh. What you take in is 'revenue'. Doh. Source: » finance.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=T It was there even AFTER you edited out the Trillion dollar statement, which, btw, showed you have no idea what you're talking about since I believe the entire world's annual GDP is only around $50 trillion. Regardless, as I stated, Gross profit is a meaningless metric. Net Income is what you're looking for. Or just revenue. |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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·Verizon Online DSL
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said by morbo :with taxpayer support, of course. I have 1/2 a brain and know that is TeleLies B.S. |
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