elvey
Spamassassin
join:2001-02-17
San Francisco, CA
 ·Pacific Bell - SBC
 ·Comcast
·SONIC.NET
1 edit | reply to Ahrenl
Re: waiting for the other shoe to fall...
Actually, I'm fairly familiar with Gross Profit, Net income, EBITDA, etc, and why different metrics are emphasized at times. I just don't use them on a regular basis.
When you're talking about a regulated monopoly, different metrics are important; the normal metrics are distorted. |
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telecompro
@bellsouth.net
| reply to supergirl
Well it is obvious that you do not understand the regulations concerning the delivery of a local loop by the telcos. The ILECs (Incumbent Local Exchange Carriers, which are at times also RBOCs - Regional Bell Operating Companies) have exclusive access to provide lines in a given area. In exchange for that exclusive access, they are now required to make available those lines to CLECs to encourage competition and innovation. The initial access was considered FCC or special access, ordered through an ASR. That version required the payment by the CLEC for services that weren't needed, such as muxing on top of the line charges. Enter UNEs (unbundled network elements), where only the equipment and line required to deliver the service would need to be charged to the CLEC. UNE lines effectively permit a CLEC to compete in locations that otherwise would fall under a monopoly status.
The problem with a monopoly is that you as the consumer are then unable to switch to someone else to avoid sub-par performance at prime prices. Would you pay top new mercedez-benz prices for a 10 year old crunched up old Kia? I think not, however, prior to the deregulation of the Telecom industry, that is exactly what happened and there was very little that a consumer could do about it. Now there is a choice, you may switch your service to another provider. |
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
USA
| reply to supergirl
Even if the Telcos are not getting any government support to build out any more (we'll leave the USF for others) they still generated huge blocks of their existing infrastructure on taxpayer subsidy. Since line sharing on just that infrastructure really isn't feasible (figuring out what's new vs old), perhaps the Telco's should pay the gov back for the amount of subsidy received plus any additional revenue generated off of the infrastructure where they didn't achieve the promised service levels. |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | reply to supergirl
THAT is horseshit. Are you so naive to think that RBOCs don't operate in rural areas? They get TONS of USF money.
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25  : But then again I am one that would declare all networks should be confiscated . Thank you Hugo Chavez, we all know communism works. |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to cwire
said by cwire :while talking to a local public schools I.T. man, we began discussing the price of the ds-3 that the school system was purchasing from at&t. the price he told me seemed really low to me, so i asked how this could be. he said that the school only pays 25% of it's at&t bill, and the rest of the money, 75% to be exact comes from the usf fund. i don't know if this is how it is set up for all school systems, but that 75% funding seems like it could take a big chunk of usf money. The USF only goes to the great-unwashed. New Jersey gets ZERO. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to elvey
said by elvey :I don't see the word 'profit' in my post. said by elvey :They took in 63 BILLION DOLLARS last year. They made a gross profit of 28 BILLION DOLLARS last year. Sheesh. What you take in is 'revenue'. Doh. Source: » finance.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=T It was there even AFTER you edited out the Trillion dollar statement, which, btw, showed you have no idea what you're talking about since I believe the entire world's annual GDP is only around $50 trillion. Regardless, as I stated, Gross profit is a meaningless metric. Net Income is what you're looking for. Or just revenue. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| reply to supergirl
said by supergirl :SD6 - funny the cable analogy wasn't acknowleged. If cable doesn't have to do it, why do the telcos? Why? Cable paid for their infrustructure with private funds. Telephone was not 100% private funds. People love to talk about how cable was able to 'negotiate' an exclusive deal (most people forget the word NEGOTIATE) however, phone was always granted a monopoly and then partially funded.
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StickToTheFacts
@cox.net
| reply to nklb
The routing was difficult to setup, but it got you 5 static IPs that you could route however you wanted on your LAN! Sorry, that's right, you could use a third party, but for most people it was difficult enough that it wasn't worth all the added effort and using the Telocity issued modem made sense.
The point is that there weren't massive numbers of people signing up and canceling service with Bellsouth in order to get a free modem to use with Telocity. Telocity provided modems to their users. |
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
·Comcast
| reply to King P
I think you are referring to the E-Rate that was to subsides internet services to schools and Libraries not Private homes. It seems it was pushed under the guise of universal service. The problem was the money ended up being wasted by the bureaucracy like the school spent $500,000 system that more needed by a major corporation rather than a school and had spent another $500,000 for support and training when a cheep solution that cold had met the schools need could been bought for $50,000 |
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elvey
Spamassassin
join:2001-02-17
San Francisco, CA
2 edits | reply to elvey
I don't see the word 'profit' in my post.
What you take in is 'revenue'.
Doh. Source: »finance.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=T |
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nklb
Premium
join:2000-11-17
Ann Arbor, MI
clubs:
| reply to StickToTheFacts
said by StickToTheFacts :
Using a third party modem with Telocity did not work. Not true! I had Telocity almost from the beginning of their existence and all the way through the DirectTV acquisition, and you COULD use an alternative modem.
I used a plain copper mountain SDSL bridge modem connected to a linux box for routing and server hosting. The routing was difficult to setup, but it got you 5 static IPs that you could route however you wanted on your LAN!
That was the best connection I ever had, 768k SDSL. Not as fast to download large files as my junky comcast connection is now, but I would trade back for it in a heartbeat. So much more reliable, so much better performing with high numbers of connections, and it never once went down due to an outage.
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cwire
join:2007-06-07
Bedford, KY
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to ke4pym
while talking to a local public schools I.T. man, we began discussing the price of the ds-3 that the school system was purchasing from at&t. the price he told me seemed really low to me, so i asked how this could be. he said that the school only pays 25% of it's at&t bill, and the rest of the money, 75% to be exact comes from the usf fund. i don't know if this is how it is set up for all school systems, but that 75% funding seems like it could take a big chunk of usf money. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
1 edit | reply to elvey
2006
AT&T net sales: $63B (as in billion)
Op Inc: $10B
Net Inc: $7.356B
Gross profit is a meaningless statistic. |
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StickToTheFacts
@cox.net | reply to elvey
Please provide a link that shows ATT had a 28 TRILLION dollar profit ?
Are you sure you didn't mean BILLION? And even then, 28 Billion in profits is suspect. |
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StickToTheFacts
@cox.net
| reply to SD6
said by SD6 :Ahh, another unfortunate ignorant caught in the clutches of Teletruth. Their complaint was thrown out of court and they have been debunked. The claims just get more and more grandiose with time... Doesn't change the fact that certain Bell companies promised one thing and failed to deliver it... |
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StickToTheFacts
@cox.net
| reply to supergirl
said by supergirl :Telocity was around for about 3 minutes and 45 seconds. It's customers ordered DSL from BellSouth for the free modems then switched to Telocity. I wonder if that was Telocity's idea or a way not to pay Telocity for a modem since they didn't give them away ("A modem is $300 but you could order BellSouth DSL and get a free modem and always just switch to us"). So, BellSouth eventually went back and nailed those folks for $200-300 for the modems. Okay, let's stick to the facts here...
1. Telocity provided modems to their customers at no cost.
2. Telocity modems were designed and provisioned BY TELOCITY at their office, so in order to use Telocity, you needed to use a Telocity modem. Using a third party modem with Telocity did not work.
3. Please provide proof that Telocity customers ordered Bellsouth services for the modems and then switched to Telocity where the Bellsouth provided modem would do no good (see #2). |
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SD6
join:2005-03-26 | reply to King P
Ahh, another unfortunate ignorant caught in the clutches of Teletruth. Their complaint was thrown out of court and they have been debunked. The claims just get more and more grandiose with time... |
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elvey
Spamassassin
join:2001-02-17
San Francisco, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
·Comcast
·SONIC.NET
1 edit | reply to supergirl
Umm... AT&T is a government authorized and protected monopoly. If that isn't government support, I don't know what is.
They took in 63 BILLION DOLLARS last year.
They made a gross profit of 28 BILLION DOLLARS last year.
Sheesh. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to SD6
said by SD6 :[The telcos don't have to share their recent deployments... that's because the FCC was successfully lobbied by Verizon to exempt fiber from sharing reqts. And a little bit of "we won't build it if you don't exempt it" threats. |
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