viperlmw
Premium
join:2005-01-25 | reply to rradina
Re: Actually...
Not with Qwest. They only connect the cable pair to the Dslam, without making the connection to the switch, so no dt, no high tone, no battery, nothing but dsl. Seems to work well. |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | reply to rahvin112
So these "dry DSL" lines can dial 911? |
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rahvin112
join:2002-05-24
Sandy, UT
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You may not realize it but you can dial 911 on any line, with dialtone or not. As long as the wire is still hooked up to the system the 911 rules require that the carrier pass the signal to the 911 call center, the same is true of cell phones, even ones that are disconnected. Dialtone isn't required in the days of digital switches, it's mainly there for historical reasons, that and so the telco can charge you for it. |
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Fraidman
join:2007-08-09
Aurora, CO | reply to qworster
Qwest does the same |
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Buttset
join:2001-11-12
Ladson, SC | reply to jamez818
Re: Provisioning
In Charleston, SC we make every effort to test a provisioned line at the NID, no matter the speed requested. "Naked" DSL wouldn't change that requirement for us. |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
| reply to qworster
Re: Actually...
That would mean they give a shit about customer service. Years ago when I had SBC, they disconnected my line by accident. You would think they would fix it right away. Nope. Took a couple days before I had dial tone.
Call me cynical but I see self serving reason for the recording.
They probably play the recording to eliminate liability from a party that doesn't know it's only a data line. Otherwise they might try dialing 911 and sue the phone company for not completing the call. It's a lawyer's dream case. Little Mary dies because the baby sitter said she heard a dial tone and kept trying and trying to dial 911 but nothing happened. Unlike the typical hard-to-believe consumer story "I hit the break but the car accelerated through the garage", the lawyer doesn't need to prove anything. It's a data only line and it doesn't dial.
Now he goes to work and says, "With all of their billions in profit, had they spent a few thousand to put a recording on the line, Mary would be with us today." As if rehearsed, Mom sobs even louder as Dad helps her out of the courtroom.
Of course if it really won't complete a 911 call (probably does, right?), if they give a dial tone, they probably should let it complete an emergency call or even allow someone to dial 0 and get an operator. |
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qworster
join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA
 ·DSL EXTREME
·Brand X Internet
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·Vonage
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Verizon at least puts a message loop on the line that says (over and over): "This is a data line".
I'm assuming they do this to make sure that some telco tech doesn't take the pair because he thinks it's unused.
Verizon also assigns a standard ten digit phone number to the naked DSL line (for ID purposes). |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to viperlmw
Re: Provisioning
AT&T is not doing it that way. You get a dialtone. It just can't dial out.
ADSL without a circuit ID or sealing current is an invitation to problems down the line |
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jamez818
please hold during the silence
join:2000-09-18
Sunland, CA | reply to viperlmw
Maybe they should give you a temp number just until you get your service established. Something like a 555-1212 number and then disconnect it. Just a thought. |
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viperlmw
Premium
join:2005-01-25
·Qwest.net
| reply to jamez818
No tech dispatch is necessary for stand-alone DSL. You just don't have a dial tone, or the -48v dc battery. The DSL signal is in the millivolt range, so you may not know it's there, but your modem does. Just plug it in (no filters!) and it will sync up. |
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jamez818
please hold during the silence
join:2000-09-18
Sunland, CA
·EarthLink
|  My concern is how are they going to provision dry loop DSL? If your canceling your LAN line and keeping only the DSL I can see how that will work, your not changing your loop. But lets just say you order a new dry loop DSL line, how will you know its yours or even if its on? I wonder if a tech dispatch will be necessary for all dry loop DSL.
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just whiners and complainers... |
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