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Re: Sympatico throttling Bit Torrents now??? I've cancelled my phone, TV and Internet service with Bell. I will never return.
I don't mind being capped once I go above my usage but right now I pay $46.95 for the highest tier and I get capped BT usage even if I'm below my 60GB cap. That doesn't seem right and that's why I'm switching on top of everything else shady they've done like switching peoples plans without notice and lying about packages to new customers for bait and switch. I hope most of you do the same, see you in the TekSavvy or etc threads, goodbye Sympatico/Bell for life. |
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said by Deadpool:Can anyone who was "traffic managed" during the day today PM me their TN's? I confirmed that it shouldn't have happened that way. I am being throttled 24/7, that includes all day, durring the day and even at 400:am. I called a level 2 tech at bell and he said there was nothing he could do.
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said by matt23:About 5 hours after signing up with TSI I am now logged into my new account and downloading at proper, uncapped speeds. Cheers to that! I had the pleasure of logging onto bell and watching my torrents be throttled at 30kb/s (this was at 1:30 in the afternoon, hardly peak hours...), I'd then logg off Belll and on to tecksavvy and watch my torrent speeds go to 500kb/s. I did this a few times just to make sure.
Screw Bell, 30kb/s is slower then dial up speeds, and I was so pissed when "customer service supervisor" told me that they offer speeds "up to" 5mb, not guaranteed speed, and my 30kb/s was just fine.
I signed up for unlimited HIGH-SPEED, not unlimited Dial up! And they have th nerve to tell me that even though they broke my contract, I still have to live up to my end of the contract and pay the 100.00 cancelation feel... nice try Bell.
Way to treat a (now former) 13 year loyal customer Bell... it's absolute garbage.. |
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said by Onrevver : quote:
Those things you suggest aren't cheap for the good providers. and could end up costing people an addition $50 or more a month for the same thing they can just download for free now.. I know it's not right they download it for free, but do you seriously expect everyone to pay an extra $50 when you can get it for free someplace else?
It costs $14.95 a month for unlimited newshosting.com service and $4 for 16 weeks of Newzbin service. That's $18.95 a month. If you go over your cap, Sympatico starts gouging to a maximum tune of $30.00. With the former you get uncapped speeds since your ISP can't effectively throttle it. With the latter you tolerate 30KB/s downloads with BitTorrent when you're paying for a 3M+ connection. $18.95 for unlimited do whatever you want with your Sympatico connection -OR- $30.00 when you go over your bandwidth allowance AND your BT downloads are always metered to 30KB/s regardless of where your usage is at for that month. Think about it. I don't know where you pulled $50 from but don't believe that the whole of Usenet uses the same rates as Easynews.com or something. News groups will be next on the list after everyone stops using torrents and goes to newsgroups.  |
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said by Deadpool:I confirmed that the traffic that was being managed during the day yesterday shouldn't have been. The problem was found last night and corrected. Thanks to those of you who PM'd me their B1 and/or TN, it helped a lot in identifying the problem and correcting it. If it happens again in the near future, please let me know. I was stil ,being throttled at 3:00am last night. 30kb/s... |
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said by Deadpool:It's a Telephone Number. If it's happening to you right now, PM me your number and get it looked at. Thanks I do appreciate your time and effort, but there's really no point, I have already canceled with Bell as I am sick of being lied to and spending hours of my time every month, because they have either tried to switch plans, charge me extra for something, or even worse lie about their service.
Where were you when I spent 8rs on the phone friday being lied to. Where were you when I was told to go home at lunch (a 30min drive each way) and call a level 2 tech to see why i was being throttled 24/7. The level 2 tech told me there was nothing he could do and I'd have to live with it?
I, like many others have had enough with bell and they will be loosing more then just an internet customer as I will also be canceling my TV and phone. I hope roping people like this was worth loosing the thousands/ year in TV and phone customers.
Unfortunately it seems you are trying to help, In all honesty, you seem to be the only employee at bell that is trying to help and admits to the throtteling of torrents. But you can only help to a limit as unless you make coporate decisions your hands are also tied. |
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I tried news groups for a month, and had a real hard time to find what I am looking for, and it's so messy, very hard to browse and search. But maybe you are right news groups would be next.
You guys go on »torrentfreak.com/ ??? I go every mornings and it seems like there's a global anti-piracy war happening.
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News groups will be next on the list after everyone stops using torrents and goes to newsgroups.
You can't effectively throttle NNTP the same way that BT is done, most NNTP providers support full SSL. Even if they were able to do so, NNTP is much more easily adapted to changing as it's a fairly simple protocol thats very similar to HTTP unlike BitTorrent. Usenet is also frequently outsourced to many of these NNTP providers so filtering/shaping will affect legitimate customers. |
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News groups will be next on the list after everyone stops using torrents and goes to newsgroups.
You can't effectively throttle NNTP the same way that BT is done, most NNTP providers support full SSL. Even if they were able to do so, NNTP is much more easily adapted to changing as it's a fairly simple protocol thats very similar to HTTP unlike BitTorrent. Usenet is also frequently outsourced to many of these NNTP providers so filtering/shaping will affect legitimate customers. The torrent throtteling IS affecting legitimate customers!
Are you trying to say that everyone that uses torrents is not using it for legit reasons? My WOW updates are not a legit reason for using torrents?
This also really pisses me off when people assume that Bit torrents are only for "illegal" downloads, there fore it's fine to limit download speed. |
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1 edit | said by TI POIL:I know people are ignorant when it comes down to that subject. Out of my 400gb bw usage of last month I don't even have 1 movie, I have a few mp3s and a few tv shows. All the rest is legit. I hear ya.
But as far as I'm concerned TV shows are legit as it's the same as DVR. If someone already paid to be able to watch them, if that person missed a show and the DVR didn't catch it, it is their right to be able to watch the show that they already have paid a service to watch. |
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I tried news groups for a month, and had a real hard time to find what I am looking for, and it's so messy, very hard to browse and search. But maybe you are right news groups would be next.
You need an indexer like Newzbin and a good client like SABnzbd. Then it becomes a point and click affair like BitTorrent.
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The torrent throtteling IS affecting legitimate customers!
Are you trying to say that everyone that uses torrents is not using it for legit reasons? My WOW updates are not a legit reason for using torrents?
This also really pisses me off when people assume that Bit torrents are only for "illegal" downloads, there fore it's fine to limit download speed.
There are more emerging uses for BitTorrent these days like patch distribution, video P2P networks and so on. However the fact remains that most of the BT traffic is copyrighted material. I am not saying it's fine to limit download speeds, I am saying quite the opposite and its why I cancelled my Sympatico service.
You are deluding yourself if you think that these companies are governed by the same "innocent until proven guilty" system used by the courts. They can pretty much do what they like until complaints reach the press. Speak with your wallet, your complaints on these forums fall on deaf ears.
Also stop pretending like you were just downloading Linux ISO's with BT. Most of us at least wont pretend like we paid $40+ monthly to download "WoW Patches faster". Unlike you, my point is that what I do with my connection is none of their business provided I am within their bandwidth constraints. There should be no automatic shaping of a particular protocol on the Internet. |
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But as far as I'm concerned TV shows are legit as it;s the same as DVR. I've already paid to be able to watch them, if I missed a show and the DVR didn't catch it, it is my right to be able to watch the show that I already ahve paid a service to watch.
Morally I agree with you, legally you are wrong. Companies are sold a license to broadcast that content, you pay a monthly fee to watch it. You are not entitled ownership to anything on the air and the broadcaster's contract defines what that entails. Watching anything ad-free violates 99.9% of those contracts unless they are specifically created for that purpose(BSG webisodes, etc).
So while we may think it's fine and dandy, in their eyes its wrong. |
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said by Onrevver : quote:
But as far as I'm concerned TV shows are legit as it;s the same as DVR. I've already paid to be able to watch them, if I missed a show and the DVR didn't catch it, it is my right to be able to watch the show that I already ahve paid a service to watch.
Morally I agree with you, legally you are wrong. Companies are sold a license to broadcast that content, you pay a monthly fee to watch it. You are not entitled ownership to anything on the air and the broadcaster's contract defines what that entails. Watching anything ad-free violates 99.9% of those contracts unless they are specifically created for that purpose(BSG webisodes, etc). So while we may think it's fine and dandy, in their eyes its wrong. So it's wrong to DVR a tv show and watch it then? You get the same commercial free DV as if you were todownload it.
And if the companies were more creative the commercial will reach more people then if it were on a TV show. If it's good it will be viewed by millions via places like Youtube etc. |
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I still don't understand why BT don't change their protocol. |
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So it's wrong to DVR a tv show and watch it then? You get the same commercial free DV as if you were todownload it.
Morally wrong, not in my opinion. Legally wrong as in it violates copyright laws, yes. Also most DVR's provided by the cable/telco companies I've seen will only let you skip commercials, they won't record shows without them. In America at least the government tried to intervene by forcing companies to support CableCARD. In Canada the CRTC is woefully behind the times.
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And if the companies were more creative the commercial will reach more people then if it were on a TV show. If it's good it will be viewed by millions via places like Youtube etc.
Not if the commercial is stripped out. They have to make money to keep shows on the air period.
The difference between me and you is that I can admit my wrongdoing in my actions and I dont try to justify it. I am fine with pirating TV because I feel commercials should be optional and that the industry needs to find a new revenue model. If they don't then they will soon find themselves going the same way as the music industry.
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Is it our fault then that they do not provide legal downloads of shows like they do in the US? Also you can watch most shows on the Canadian networks websites. But I prefer to burn mine to re-recordable dvds and throw it in my divx capable dvd player and play them there. I dont really want to sit at my computer to watch a show that I missed. But we're getting off topic now.
It's no ones fault. I pirate TV just like the rest of you do. I do it for a variety of reasons but the industry needs to wake up and recognize that some of them are legit(convenience, scheduling, etc). My point is that the telco's see us as copyright infringers who are breaking the law, we don't deserve extra consideration in their eyes. So they don't care about shaping BT nor do they care about our concerns on this forum. Your best way to let them know you feel is to hit them where they do listen - the wallet! |
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I think most people here have already hit them where it counts and canceled already, or are in the process of doing so right now. |
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| said by DjEclipse:I think most people here have already hit them where it counts and canceled already, or are in the process of doing so right now. Unfortunately us here on the site are a minority. Until we start pulling in bigger numbers its not going to impact them. |
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