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As one poster said. Get over it, you didn't act and somebody else did. Either pay what they want or take responsibility for your inaction and hopefully find another name. Thats funny. I didn't act because it was over priced by an order of magnitude and if nobody knows I want it, it will remain unsold -- as it is today. They keep spamming me with "act now" emails hoping that one morning I will wake up and recognize the "value" their 100 line bulk registration perl script added to the domain.
But whatever you do please stop whining or putting down true entrepreneurs who understand the power of acting first and are willing to take risks that you apparently are not.
Also funny. Thats right, the true entrepreneur. Just like ticket scalpers. Another great "entrepreneurial" tradition that one should never whine about. Enjoy those thousand dollar vegas show seats sold out at face value because scalpers pay the unemployed to line up each morning at 9am six months ahead of time to buy them up. The "power" of "Acting first" indeed. I'm sure domain banks would have preferred to be in the business of registering patents on self-evident business processes so they can sue anyone "infringing" - but that would have required getting a law degree. Too much like hard work! |
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| I noticed that all those defending this domain name hijacking were anonymous posters. They are probably in the business of squatting on these names hoping to blackmail someone with an idea and web site that can actually be developed. There should be a rule that if a name is not turned in to a legitimate site within 1 year, that every domain name wholesaler be prohibited from re-registering it.
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| There is a blog entry from the CEO of easydns on the subject of domain trading:
»mark.jeftovic.net/archives/99-An···are.html
I respect Mark and can see his point.
My issue isn't domain name hijacking - that is a whole other subject that we've had to pay lawyers a lot of $$$s to deal with, and it isn't even dealt with yet! More just the whole business of domain name banks and reselling smells off to me. It smells like scalping. |
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| said by justin  :My issue isn't domain name hijacking - that is a whole other subject that we've had to pay lawyers a lot of $$$s to deal with, and it isn't even dealt with yet! More just the whole business of domain name banks and reselling smells off to me. It smells like scalping. I'd agree that it does feel like scalping, since I've tried (unsuccessfully) to get a variety of domain names in a myriad of suffixes, with no success. (Virtually every domain in .us is registered, I think)
On the other hand, while it bothers me, it's basically the same "bother" as driving by a nice tract of land every day on the way to work, and wishing I owned it. I didn't get there first, or have the capital to invest, or any other of a number of reasons; any way the salami is sliced, I don't own that land, and I'm jealous. Same with domain names. I'd love to have the three letter "variant" of a domain I already own, but there's no chance of that. Therefore, I'm jealous of the current owner, and it torques me off that he's willing to "sell" me the domain at a price higher than I can either justify (a.k.a. the wife factor) or afford ($10,000 for a database entry?!).
Such is life, I suppose.
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said by justin :Also funny. Thats right, the true entrepreneur. Just like ticket scalpers. Another great "entrepreneurial" tradition that one should never whine about. Enjoy those thousand dollar vegas show seats sold out at face value because scalpers pay the unemployed to line up each morning at 9am six months ahead of time to buy them up. The "power" of "Acting first" indeed. That would make them employed, no? |
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Just a lot of jealous ranting with no substance Justin. You are rather arrogant if you think *you* should have the domain and nobody else and for next to nothing (in this industry $1288 is quite a bargain). No matter how you wrap it up, stamp your feet, and shout, the fact remains - you missed the opportunity that someone else took. You mentioned getting a law degree so go and do it as you are obviously too late to 'get rich quick' in this industry. The world does not owe you a living especially when your 'idea' came years after domain names were available for everyone. As for their spam - just blacklist them if it upsets you so much. |
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| You guys are all responding with the same cookie cutter argument. "Boo hoo you lost, someone else got there first. Deal with it". But here is the thing: nobody else wants the domain (if they don't know I want it), i'm not grouching because someone was willing to pay a higher price I'm grouching because of the process of offering domains for sale this way is SO VERY SLEAZY. Honestly I get a nicer experience buying theater tickets off craigslist from a scalper.
Do you, if you even exist as a person, understand the difference here? My complaint isn't that there is competition for undeveloped domain names - I'm not bidding on wealth.net or something - it is that the guys running the domain banks are creepy and I feel unclean even getting email (or phone calls) from them.
I'm firmly of the opinion that the domain after-market is way over-valued, it is a bubble of unrealistic expectations built on the quicksand of unregulated online ad business (ads masquerading as content!) and new users who are wide eyed about their new laptop and new browser and click on anything. I think the clock is ticking on the whole enterprise. |
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| said by justin :nobody else wants the domain And how, pray tell, do you know no one else wants it? You're not the one who is trying to sell the domain name, and you have no ounce of verifiable data of anyone else making similar offers (if any) to it.
You made an offer to buy the domain name, they made a counteroffer with an option to negotiate, then you find that sleazy? If you think my $149 offer to buy your 1997 Volkswagen Beatle (an example, I know) is too low for you and you reply back with a counteroffer, then I guess you won't mind my blogging about your being a sleazy SOB. (which I won't have to do...)
If by sleazy you mean BuyDomains is supposedly still spamming you with calls and emails, that I'll understand. Meanwhile, tell them to put you on their DNC list, block their emails, and threaten to report it to the relevant government agency with specifics about the matter.
If you think you know all there is to know about the domain aftermarket, then why don't you participate in one of them so you'll know more and maybe even gain a better understanding? Or are you too firmly biased to care? |
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said by TK Junk Mail :defending this domain name hijacking Define domain name hijacking.
In the domain registrar business, it's generally accepted as one where a paid
domain name has been forcefully and wrongfully taken by a 3rd party without
its registered name holder's knowledge and consent. Where's the hijacking in
this discussion? |
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Hi anonymous-poster joined today in order to flame me as a member instead of a shadow.
I didn't make an offer, I can't actually remember the sequence but perhaps I had to buy some kind of annual "membership" (I remember thinking THAT whole process of being baited then hit with the membership form felt like it was dreamed up by someone recently ex the porn business) in order to fill out a form to make an inquiry, and then wait 2 days until the sales dude plucked a number out of the air and sent it to me, which I ignored. He then proceeded to phone my cell, which I ignored, and engage in email negotiation where he was careful not to name a new price in pixels, but talk vaguely about the discounts available should I call in.
The language used is full of crap such as this:
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To avoid losing your name to another buyer or paying a higher price, we strongly recommend purchasing your domain(s) within seven days of receiving your quote.
And since then I've had sequential offers over email, again without prices, where I've been told that the domain is magically now available "on sale" .. "at a special one time discount" .. blah de bloody blah!
So, yes, I KNOW nobody else is interested in the domain at the prices this company likes to think any random domain is worth. They have 800,000 or whatever domains from aaawrigfhfkgshdgf to zzz0486589999 and only a tiny fraction of them would be of interest to even one person, and then only at a realistic price.
I find it interesting that this flood of anon angst doesn't so far object to me calling these operators no better than simple scalpers. They might dress their operation up with stupid "domain valuation" tools, complicated but ultimately empty "auction sites" and graphs showing predictions of future valuations, but that is just putting tuxedo, top hat and tails on a turd. |
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If nobody else wanted the domain it would have been available wouldn't it? 
You can hold whatever opinion you want about the domain after-market but the evidence does not back up your 'theory'. So keep your head in the sand whilst people make an excellent living from something you think is 'overvalued'. Perhaps you should tell us what this once-in-a-lifetime domain is that nobody wants. It wasn't something like property.com was it? 
The phonecall/email issue has been addressed - block them, report them, whatever but the rest of your post just stinks of sour grapes.
PS I do exist as a person. I make an excellent living in the domain after-market which is strange as you seem to think it's not possible. |
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wow Justin I can just imagine the throbbing vein on your forehead now.
I have bought several domains from buydomains and they never asked me to pay a membership. Are you sure you're not just making things up because you're badly losing this 'argument'? »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_and_the_Grapes
As has been stated before if you can't bring yourself to pay a measly $1288 for a domain that you're going to base your 'business' on that is probably nature's way of telling you to stay working for someone else  |
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justin
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I never doubted you make an excellent living. Congrats. |
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said by justin :Hi anonymous-poster joined today in order to flame me as a member instead of a shadow. Well, Justin, you posted something that's otherwise not completely accurate.
You still say you know no one wants it, but, again, how do you know that if
you're not the one selling it and you don't appear to have any kind of inside
information from the ones who do? (or do you?)
(Okay, I don't claim to have considerable experience dealing with this sort of
thing. Probably the next best thing is having worked with a domain registrar
for more than 4 years and handled various issues, including the one where an
end-user used the registrar's service to make an offer to buy a domain name.)
While people are essentially free to say and write whatever they want, they
ought to also be ready to be "corrected" by someone who happens to know a
bit more "intimately" about it, especially those who have experience on that
side of the fence. But when making a firm conclusion that can otherwise be
disputed almost easily, do you think you're doing any one an honest favor of
giving a supposedly "correct" picture with so much misleading information that
is online already?
Seriously, things like these is one reason people from that side of the fence
hardly want to speak up as much as they want to. I've this them trying to do
so many times, only to lead to numerous flame wars that end up nowhere. |
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