Re: Really bad. in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19073033 en Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:54:53 EDT Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:54:53 EDT Re: Really bad. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19080549 imanogre :
said by Chuckles See Profile :

I'm sorry you read "you" as consumers and not sharksfan3.

Actually he said, "They could of course provide content worth watching."
So even if you did mean sharksfan3, how in the world did you infer that sharskfan3 even suggested that should be the one whom decides what's worth watching. He's just simply suggesting that some stations have no consumers, or not enough to sustain their programming lineup.

No offense, and Perhaps I'm wrong, but I can't help but think that you are trying to put an anti Free Market spin on this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19080549 Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:09:03 EDT Re: Really bad. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19073033 anon :
said by Chuckles See Profile :

Are you the one to decide what's worth watching?
No the people are. If they don't want to watch it because they hate the shows maybe they should make a better attempt at making programs that appeal to the consumer and we shouldn't be forced to pay for a channel we don't watch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19073033 Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:31:55 EDT Re: Really bad. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19071392 MaroonGuru :
said by ashworth See Profile :

This is a billing nightmare to the service providers and a few companies own most of the cable channels. So if you want MTV you get BET too, because it's owned by the same big media conglomerate(Viacom).....Is this a great country or what ??
If this is a billing nightmare, better call NPS and tell them to close shop. If making smaller packages is a bad thing, better get rid of Star Choice. NPS sells by the channel for many of their channels. They also sell a variety of packages from a Discovery Channel package to a get-it-all package. I usually order just the channels I want and add the Starz/Encore package to get some fun movies thrown in. (FYI Starz package is about 30 channels total with 4 in HD) I can even decide to go for 90 days, 180 days, or a full year to save even more. I pay about $30 every 3 months to get my selection of channels, and another $35.75 to get the 30 channels of Starz. All digital and better PQ than DBS.

Star Choice up in Canada has nice little bundles of packages to choose from so you can add just music or just sports. Seems to work fine.

I'm not saying it doesn't take a little more effort than giving only 3 or 4 packages, but in reality, the DBS providers are supporting dozens of different pricings and packages due to various offerings over the years. They're smart, and they can handle it. In fact, they may enjoy having the forced unbundling since it might break the strangehold Capital Cities (ABC/Disney/ESPN) currently enjoys. The DBS providers must carry ESPN and Disney at the basic level and this money goes mostly back to CapCities. If subscribers are freed from this, they may spend more on more profitable segments like PPV and premium channels.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19071392 Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:02:37 EDT Re: Really bad. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19060258 Mospaw : Note: I'm pulling the numbers below out of the air, in order to make a point. They don't represent anything but hypotheticals.

Likewise, my interest in obscure programming shouldn't subsidize ESPN, in which I have zero interest.

ESPN might even be profitable on its own and be a freebie or very low cost in an a la carte lineup. Likewise, something a bit more obscure, call it the "Obscurity Channel" will have a smaller audience, and require maybe a dollar or two for each subscriber. I'm fine with that. I'd rather get rid of a bunch of crap channels I'll NEVER look that cost 10 cents a month and get one or two I do want that cost many times more.

Heck, you might even get some channels that pay you a tiny bit to have them, like QVC, HSN, etc.

I'm totally for this and hope it happens.

That way I can say goodbye to probably 30 channels for good AND not have to pay for them. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19060258 Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:48:43 EDT Re: Really bad. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19059748 Chuckles : I'm sorry you read "you" as consumers and not sharksfan3.

Actually he said, "They could of course provide content worth watching."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19059748 Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:27:10 EDT Re: Really bad. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19059730 Chuckles : I believe channels are on the air because someone is watching them. Someone's horrible taste could be you.
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said by DMS1 See Profile :

I fear it would be one of the first to go.
Oh it would be.

Convert to watching Football, Nascar, and Wrestling, and you'll be a happy man.
:D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19057094 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:31:37 EDT Re: Really bad. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19056718 stevephl : There is a huge plethora of channels dedicated to over the air selling (marketing)such as QVC and similar types, food channels, save the world/animal/green planet channels and several channels offering tv shows that never were able to garner an audience when first broadcast, a majority of these channels have a very small viewer ship, once again why keep channels that most people do not enjoy watching? If we go to the a-la-carte business model the major TV content providers will be able to asses the data and determine which channels do not enjoy an audience. One final thought just because other people might not enjoy watching some off the wall channel you enjoy does not mean we are being dumbed down. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19056718 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:44:24 EDT Re: Really bad. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19056672 stevephl : I am sure that there might be a channel or two that I might watch that would go away due to a lack of interest by the market (viewers) so be it. Why should the rest of us subsidize your feel good channel? I've been saying for a long time that a large majority of the channels on the satellite (DirecTV) have a fairly small audience if any at all and should either be switched to programming that a majority of people would enjoy or removed entirely. A quick poll at work provided some interesting data, over 90% (around 25 people) indicated that they only watch a hand full of channels on their cable or satellite systems. Most (80%) also replied that they favor the a-la-carte business model. Let the free market place determine what are viable channels and what channels are financial losers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19056672 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:39:38 EDT Re: Really bad. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19056626 stevephl : Market forces should determine what channels are retained and what channels are canceled due to a very small segment of the market place ordering these channels.

A-la-carte is the wave of the future. We here find ourselves only viewing less then six channels at most, why pay for all of those channels we will never watch?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19056626 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:33:08 EDT Re: Really bad. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19055905 BIGHUSKER : I'd have to agree that Chuckles posted an amazingly stupid question. Yes, consumers *should* be the ones who decide what's worth watching. What is wrong with you?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19055905 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:54:39 EDT Re: Really bad. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19055463 james : Your comment is really stupid if you take the time to think about it.
It isnt like he's saying "any channel I dont watch should go off the air" he's saying "any channel NO ONE watches should go off the air" and logically, if there is a channel that no one watches, it should change formats to appeal to more people or be replaced, otherwise millions of dollars are being wasted to appease 10 peoples horrible taste (as opposed to millions of peoples horrible taste i suppose, but still).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19055463 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:43:08 EDT Re: Really bad. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19055350 LostInWoods : So you expect that everyone else should subsidize your more -ahem- eclectic tastes? I hope you send money for your NPR habit to supplement the taxes we send to CPB to subsidize Big Bird ($400M for 2008, up 33% in 8 years).

I have no problem with packages of channels rather than true ala carte, but the deal now (at least on DirectTV) is a $30 package aimed squarely at the Bible Thumpers, and then $50 for a 140+ channels, 30-40% of which are XM radio. I know that they can manage different packages, because I have an older package that is no longer offered. (I have no idea what the differences are, but they seem to manage it OK.)

So why not a Pick30 with local channels for $30 package? Make ESPN cost an extra $5 if that's what Disney wants for it - an awful lot of folks would pay it. And maybe they can find someone who wants XM Suite 62 and Galavision - whatever they are.

Or maybe not. Nobody said being an artist would be easy...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19055350 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:21:43 EDT Re: Really bad. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19055235 Richard B : Two words

Niche Markets
I do not care how good content is I not going to watch the Golf Channel but my hypothetical neighbor would be glued to the channel. At the same time he has no interest in Sci-FI but I do. a la carte will dumb down TV to the lowest common denominator. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19055235 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:59:46 EDT Re: Really bad. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19055073 DMS1 :
said by sharksfan3 See Profile :

said by DMS1 See Profile :

Allowing a-la carte selection would quickly force the other 80% of the channels out of business.
They could of course provide content worth watching.
My point exactly - they do provide content worth watching for at least some people. Take for example Ovation, which provides arts and culture programming. Not everyone's cup of tea, but a channel I watch regularly. I fear it would be one of the first to go.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19055073 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:29:33 EDT Re: Really bad. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19055070 Chuckles : Are you the one to decide what's worth watching?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19055070 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:29:21 EDT Re: Really bad. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19055038 sharksfan3 :
said by DMS1 See Profile :

Allowing a-la carte selection would quickly force the other 80% of the channels out of business.
They could of course provide content worth watching.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19055038 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:25:47 EDT Really bad. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19055003 DMS1 : This would be really bad in the medium to long term. Something close to the ubiquitous 80/20 rule applies, with 80% of the people only ever watching 20% of the available channels. Allowing a-la carte selection would quickly force the other 80% of the channels out of business.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19055003 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:20:43 EDT