Rick
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Re: Great Interview Karl
Hob, there is no further reply I can make to your outrageous position.
Readers can judge my results as posted above for themselves.
And those results CLEARLY show that comcast is delivering 20Mb + service for 42.95 month.
And, however you want to shake that out..that is one outstanding value compared to anything you want to throw at it.
I realize that around this forum..when people run out of ways to explain this...it's bash the poster. Or bash the service as not being "real".
It's real alright man.
All too real.
And, the reality of it is..Uverse doesn't even come close.
Doesn't manage to touch it at all.
This is why comcast doesn't fear them.
This is why they mock them in their tv ad's night after night.
And, it's only going to get worse. Much worse..with docsis 3.0 next year.
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en102
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Valencia, CA | reply to Rick
Lets compare...
$24.95 + $10 POTS = Internet + dialtone
$42.95 = Internet
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en102
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Out of the +50 million broadband subscribers out there... how many _really_ care that they're at the bleeding edge speed ?
I would _really_ like to see (if anyone could provide) the % of customers at each rate on cable, dsl, etc. How many customers are satisfied with their current rate (speed)? How many want to pay more for higher speed ?
20Mbps won't get my SSL session any faster to my work VPN.
My console (SSH) won't be noticably faster (it was fast enough tethered over 3G UMTS/HSDPA).
Where I would notice it:
Download of ISO / p0rn / Bittorrent / Webhosting / Spam relaying.
Just like POTS is vastly overpriced (over regulated FCC / BS cr@p), TV service is also overpriced. DTV has given my +180 channels on 3 sets for --
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hobgoblin
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| "I would _really_ like to see (if anyone could provide) the % of customers at each rate on cable, dsl, etc. How many customers are satisfied with their current rate (speed)? How many want to pay more for higher speed ?"
Great point! and one Mr Rick misses every time.
He sits there pontificating based on his views and the views of this site....but of course he has no clue what the most people want.
they want speed FASTER than dial up. most cant tell the difference. when that changes so will the industry...it aint there yet...no matter what he says.
Who do i think has a clue....Rick or the biggest ISP in the country!!!!!!
He can call me a Troll if he wants....but actually what he wants is to subdue competition.
Comcast Rick?
Hob
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en102
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I tend to take most of the 'speed tests' as a 'best case' scenario (i.e. my connection to a server that is 'local' or peered closely). Many sites are NOT local, and will typically not always allow your full bandwidth.
eg. connecting to ftp.mirrors.kernel.org to download a Fedora core iso (San Jose) maxes my corp line at ~ 10Mbps (maxed at just over 1.0MB/second).
Connecting to another site (i.e. Redhat), I was able to download at ~2.5MB/second.
So paying extra to a line that I don't any good application that requires it (or servers that can dish it out regularly) makes it a general 'waste' IMO.
Comcast Rick, let me know if Comcast can match this with PowerBoost.
Now lets add a speedtest in here...
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Rick
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| I dl'd about 250MB of the file from the redhat site and averaged just a shade under 10,000k in doing so. And, for me, that's probably a 3000 mile journey to that server from here in Ct.
Not too shabby for a residential HSI connection by any means.
For the majority of files I download..updates..and programs..I usually see close to double those speeds.
That's the real world for me. And it's an enormous time saver..and well worth the literally pennies a day difference between a dsl connection that runs 1/13th those speeds.
Again..realize what it is we're talking about here is maybe 60 some odd cents a day.
That gets you nothing these days..but does get you 13 times the speed of a T1 speed DSL connection.
I really don't want to get into an argument over pennies..but that's what we are talking about here.
And, if that's too much for someone to pay..then so be it.
But it's certainly not fair to characterize dsl in the manner in which you are at times...as being some walmart of the industry. DSL IS EXPENSIVE for what you're getting.
You pay a little bit less..but what you pay for is EXPENSIVE.
I can't say it any clearer than that.
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Rick
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Oh, and BTW..How much per month does that 37MB CORPORATE line cost in relationship to a 42.95 per month Comcast residential connection?
HUGE money I would imagine.
But yet..I can still manage to average 10Mb on 3,000 mile away transfers?
I can still get 20Mb speed tests and more?
I can download OOL 64MB files at 20,000k speeds?
Comcast is an ENORMOUS value leader.
And uverse..jeesh..I don't even know if they know how bad it is.
I suspect they will soon though.
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
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With all of these analogies to autos, then we should be able to apply the Lemon Law to both telcos and cablecos. As for Comcrap, you should feel fortunate that you live where they don't have the signal issues that a major metro area has. Entire sections working fine next to areas that are completely FUBAR. As far as price went, I've had both ATT dsl and Comcrap. I hate them both.
The only positive things I could say about dsl is 1)it's not dial up and 2)they didn't raise their price every 6 months like cable. I moved so now its cable. For basic cable I'm paying $69 and 49 for HSI. But yes, at least I have a choice.
So you say I have a lexus with comcast huh....feels like a '74 ford maverick to me!
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charterbites
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DITTO...LOL |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
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said by Rick  :I dl'd about 250MB of the file from the redhat site and averaged just a shade under 10,000k in doing so. And, for me, that's probably a 3000 mile journey to that server from here in Ct. Point made... 20Mbps is either
a) More than what that server will give you
b) Beyond your 'PowerBoost' limit
said by Rick :Not too shabby for a residential HSI connection by any means. For the majority of files I download..updates..and programs..I usually see close to double those speeds. That's the real world for me. And it's an enormous time saver..and well worth the literally pennies a day difference between a dsl connection that runs 1/13th those speeds. Never said it was a shabby connection. However, most programs still only take seconds to download, and updates/autoupdates are all done in the background - so I don't care. Where I do care is when I need to do something with the file(s) i.e. ISO or if I'm attempting to stream video. Streaming video will depend more on the other end than mine. SSH, Remote Desktop, VPN all are essentially the same.
said by Rick :Again..realize what it is we're talking about here is maybe 60 some odd cents a day. That gets you nothing these days..but does get you 13 times the speed of a T1 speed DSL connection. I really don't want to get into an argument over pennies..but that's what we are talking about here. And, if that's too much for someone to pay..then so be it. But it's certainly not fair to characterize dsl in the manner in which you are at times...as being some walmart of the industry. DSL IS EXPENSIVE for what you're getting. You pay a little bit less..but what you pay for is EXPENSIVE. I can't say it any clearer than that. Well, some people prioritize what they want.
$219/year for a couple Mbps more (which doesn't affect me in my day to day life) is a waste of money IMO. ($0.60x365).
Walmart pricing (in case you haven't seen one in your area) keeps each individual price low. Stating DSL IS EXPENSIVE (for what you get) may be somewhat true... DSL itself (for speeds 6Mbps or less) ISN'T EXPENSIVE... but in general, more expensive/Mbps. Walmart pricing has ALWAYS been about cutting the basic cost... not about selling more for a higher price.
My argument (and you did make it above) is than in general, the bottom line is DSL (in AT&T areas at least) are a bit cheaper.
For those that 'need' the extra speed, go an pay for it. For those that don't really care what the speed is (as long as it works - I suspect you'll find millions stating 'fast' is fast enough, and I don't want to pay more...PERIOD)
If Comcast had 'powerboost' on a 1.5Mbps package (or even offered a 1.5Mbps package) for $24.95, I suspect they'd lure AT&T customers over.
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Rick
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2 edits | reply to hobgoblin
Hob, about all I can add to this is that if that 50 cents a day difference that it all amounts to between having a 1.5Mb slowsky dsl connection..and a 20Mb HSI cable connection really matters all that much to you..
then truly..I'm sorry for your financial predicament.
But, the fact of the matter is..for many of us who don't have and certainly don't want a landline..that difference is even less. Or..perhaps even non existent.
It certainly is in my case, with all the savings I realize from voip.
I'm really not sure how or why all this escapes you.
Based on your own statements contained in a post or posts on this website, one could only assume that apparently you're an employee of a Cable ISP.
Is that how little you think of your own company and industry? Are you really this unable to differentiate between these offerings..and choose instead to make the competition the leader in your own mind?
If so, I sincerely hope that you will reconsider your own position..and perhaps even start applying for a position with AT&T.
It seems you would be happier with them.
Sad to say though, I 'm not sure they'll be hiring much longer. Losing as many landlines as they are..and offering nothing but slow connections overall isn't a good prognosis I fear for their future.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA
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Doesn't cost me a cent... and its actually connected to an OC-12.
Value is relative.
300 channels of TV for $75/month may be better 'value' than
100 channels of TV for $60/month
But if those last 200 channels have nothing that I want to watch/see... then they have no value to me, and I don't see myself wasting money on it, even if it is 'better value' per channel.
This is similar to me paying an extra $10/month for higher speed Internet (and probably many others as well). Perceived value is different than actual. If that extra rate does not percieve to have any useful impact to the user, then why pay more ?
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hobgoblin
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"Hob, about all I can add to this is that if that 50 cents a day difference that it all amounts to between having a 1.5Mb slowsky dsl connection..and a 20Mb HSI cable connection really matters all that much to you..
then truly..I'm sorry for your financial predicament."
I think you have me confused with someone else. I have not mentioned cost in any of my posts.
"Is that how little you think of your own company and industry? Are you really this unable to differentiate between these offerings..and choose instead to make the competition the leader in your own mind?"
I am not making anyone the leader...not sure how you deduced that. I welcome competition in the market place. Competition benefits customers and I am a customer. You are telling the world that a service sucks because its not as fast as your connection. I am saying that in the market place, speed is not as important as other things AT THIS TIME. Quality service, home grown support, the ability to bundle and convenience are all more important to the average customer.
Speed is not the first thing in peoples mind....for the average customer. As I said before...as long as its faster than Dial up...and good value people will come.
Hob
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Rick
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| My posts re: uverse and AT&T encompass a wide range of issues I have with them. Certainly not just speed..although it is one factor I address.
Those factors include overall value of dsl versus cable hsi..
their marketing schemes..
this being their next generation service..
their use of public access ways to install vrads..
their tearing up roads to deliver questionable service that many already have access to.
My points are all very well thought out and relevant.
Really Hob..you and others should just move on from the bashing, misquoting and misinterpretation of my posts and into something more constructive.
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hobgoblin
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| I see and because your posts are well thought out and relevant no one should be allowed to disagree and debate the subjects you bring up.
including speed as that has been your main focus in this thread.
I understand now.
Sorry.
Hob
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Rick
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| said by hobgoblin :I see and because your posts are well thought out and relevant no one should be allowed to disagree and debate the subjects you bring up. If what you did was just that, I'd have no problem at all.
unfortunately..you rarely stop there and instead choose to take everything into something of a personal nature.
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hobgoblin
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| "If what you did was just that, I'd have no problem at all.
unfortunately..you rarely stop there and instead choose to take everything into something of a personal nature."
I believe there is a very fine moderator group on this site who will respond and remove offending posts if you flag them.
When you challenge the Biggest ISP in the country in public you have to expect that people will challenge you. People are interested whether you have extensive experience in marketing and supporting High speed products and Video services or whether you are sitting in your parents basement typing.
These are not personal attacks, its a follow up discussion.
Hob
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Tigerpaw509
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americast didnt fail under ameritech it was sold of by sbc because they didnt believe in catv.As far as using copper and ftth......its a insane idea |
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Rick
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said by hobgoblin :When you challenge the Biggest ISP in the country in public you have to expect that people will challenge you. People are interested whether you have extensive experience in marketing and supporting High speed products and Video services or whether you are sitting in your parents basement typing. These are not personal attacks, its a follow up discussion. Hob LoL..jeesh. Really? I have to expect that people will challenge me about this issue?
You're real late to that party my friend. I've been challenged about it for a year before you arrived on the scene to join in the fray.
And, let me get this straight. People are interested in whether I have extensive experience in marketing and supporting high speed products in order for me to express an opinion?
Again..I think you have it all wrong..and are continually in violation of this sites terms in challenging ME on THAT issue.
If you would care to challenge me on the CONTENT of my posts ie: point out where you DISAGREE with the point itself and can point to a better argument..that is one thing.
But to challenge ME on MY personal knowledge is flat out wrong..and again. Against the site terms.
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