hobgoblin
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Re: Great Interview Karl
Rick you are hilarious
"What is being discussed everywhere is the perceived failure of this service."
Everywhere? We were talking about Football, The Yankees and Red Sox and what we are doing tomorrow night. Not a word about Uverse.
"I receive 4 times that with comcast."
Really...You have a 22 mb service or POWERBOOST? Apples to Ferrets as usual.
"If we're REALLY going to compare this..then we have to compare it with DOCSIS 3.0."
So now you are comparing it to something no one has? Good one.
You are funny!
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| "Everywhere? We were talking about Football, The Yankees and Red Sox and what we are doing tomorrow night. Not a word about Uverse."
Last I checked, we were at Broadbandreports.com...not nfl.com.
Did you take a wrong turn somewhere? Here, let me guide you back. »www.nfl.com/
"You have a 22 mb service or POWERBOOST? Apples to Ferrets as usual."
Really, I don't see it that way at all. Comcast delivers these speeds very consistently for many of the things I and others use the net for. It certainly covers general surfing..emailing..uploading and downloading good sized files..updates..programs we download. And, it's also been my experience that depending on the time of day, powerboost can certainly last longer than some have portrayed it. At most offpeak times, in fact..I can download the full OOL test file at full 20Mb + speeds. So, does that make it a 20Mb + service? I'd certainly say it does. I realize that when you were working at adelphia, our predecessor company..we were only getting 4Mb but things certainly did change when Comcast took over. I guess this is what the net is supposed to be like..eh?
And, re: Docsis 3.0: you say
"So now you are comparing it to something no one has? Good one."
And, when exactly do you think that uverse will be available to most people? Is that right now? Isn't AT&T's projections for it continually all about what 2008 and 2009?
Isn't it then only fair to compare that with Comcasts and others stated plans for that time frame?
I thought you'd agree. 
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hobgoblin
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The word everywhere means
in every place or part; in all places.
not just this forum inhabited by a handful of people. Some of us have a life.
but you knew that.
Who knows what Uverse will be offering when Docsis 3 gets to your area...you don't.
Competition is good..I am sure you agree with that..and anything that competes is good...again you agree with that.
Your tirades remind me of an auto designer who would never make a car because it could not compete with a Rolls Royce.
Hob
and now....you don't have a 20mb service..you have a great marketing ploy called powerboost...which fools fools.
smoke and mirors
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Rick
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| "Some of us have a life."
I dunno hob. With your post count running almost double mine..I'm starting to think your life IS bbr. 
Posts: 10842
Visits: 3702
"Who knows what Uverse will be offering when Docsis 3 gets to your area...you don't."
True..but it's been demonstrated already to be easily capable of 150Mb speeds by none other than Comcast CEO himself.
Comcast has CLEARLY been on the cutting edge of giving us more speed when they can..for the same money.
Is 50Mb to 75Mb tiers for docsis 3.0 out of the question when many of us already see 20~30Mb w/ powerboost as it stands now? I certainly don't think so.
And, you know as well as I do that Uverse is in a WORLD of hurt if and when that happens.
"Competition is good..I am sure you agree with that..and anything that competes is good...again you agree with that."
ABSOLUTELY. And you can put that in big bold letters.
And that is what my posts are ALL About. The NEED for WORLD CLASS competition between AT&T and Comcast..and the other cable co's in the areas they service.
Verizon is doing just that. Why can't AT&T?
"Your tirades remind me of an auto designer who would never make a car because it could not compete with a Rolls Royce."
Hob hob hob hob..HOB. NOTHING could be further from the truth.
What I DON'T want to see however, is for AT&T to build 386sx computers and hope there's a real market for them next year..in a world of dual and quad core pentiums.
Because guess what? There won't be.
They are wasting their money. And time. And might as well do it right the first time around.
AT&T...FTTH.
It's the ONLY right answer.
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Rick
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said by hobgoblin  :and now....you don't have a 20mb service..you have a great marketing ploy called powerboost...which fools fools. smoke and mirors Smoke and mirrors Hob. Is that what this is?
I'd call this absolutely awesome Hob. And flat out 4 times what you and your former adelphia team was able to get me and others.
I'm sorry you couldn't manage to pull it off yourselves.
And, BTW hob...note the PB speeds and where they are even at 41MB into the 64MB file. 2.26MB a second Hob.
23,000k speeds.
WOW.huh?
You think that uverse compares with this?
Just wait until you see what DOCSIS 3.0 can do eh?
Say GOOD NIGHT AT&T.
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hobgoblin
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We have discussed this Rick....as I am in the business and able to actually solve peoples issues first hand my post count clearly reflects that.
So you think because the Comcast CEO managed a 150mb speed that this will translate itself to Mrs Jones at number 23? 
Oh I see... to compete you have to build something bigger and better.
Whats Verizons total investment so far in Fios?
Hob
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hobgoblin
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Speed tests are not real world.
Show me a real world test.
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Rick
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| An OOL 64MB FTP isn't a pure example of a real world test?
Hob, I'm ashamed of you..
You should know that being in the business.
And again..to keep this on topic...one needs to consider that this is what comcast is offering TODAY.
What will next year and docsis 3.0 be like if they're doing this right now?
I HONESTLY THINK IT IS LIGHTS OUT FOR AT&T.
The DEMISE of that company.
If they don't quickly change their ways.
You and others say it can't happen? What is AOL now with their dialup business? Fading fast and losing a million customers PER QUARTER.
Does that number sound familiar to AT&T? It should..because their landline business is falling faster than the titanic on it's last plunge down.
What else do they have Hob?..for a business that is?
Will the iphones edge service save them? Hell, other cell carriers are now blowing that away in terms of speeds.
Uverse save them maybe?
LOL!
Hob...AT&T is IN TROUBLE.
Today..and I do mean RIGHT NOW..
they NEED to ditch uverse.
Drop it like Comcast dropped your former companies 4Mb speeds..
and get with the REAL program.
Before it is..too late.
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hobgoblin
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| "An OOL 64MB FTP isn't a pure example of a real world test?
Hob, I'm ashamed of you..
You should know that being in the business."
No its smoke and mirrors..its set up for cablevision customers to show them how cool their connection is.
Go download something REAL WORLD...show me that. Not a faked up speed test.
Hob
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Rick
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| Hob, there is no further reply I can make to your outrageous position.
Readers can judge my results as posted above for themselves.
And those results CLEARLY show that comcast is delivering 20Mb + service for 42.95 month.
And, however you want to shake that out..that is one outstanding value compared to anything you want to throw at it.
I realize that around this forum..when people run out of ways to explain this...it's bash the poster. Or bash the service as not being "real".
It's real alright man.
All too real.
And, the reality of it is..Uverse doesn't even come close.
Doesn't manage to touch it at all.
This is why comcast doesn't fear them.
This is why they mock them in their tv ad's night after night.
And, it's only going to get worse. Much worse..with docsis 3.0 next year.
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en102
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I tend to take most of the 'speed tests' as a 'best case' scenario (i.e. my connection to a server that is 'local' or peered closely). Many sites are NOT local, and will typically not always allow your full bandwidth.
eg. connecting to ftp.mirrors.kernel.org to download a Fedora core iso (San Jose) maxes my corp line at ~ 10Mbps (maxed at just over 1.0MB/second).
Connecting to another site (i.e. Redhat), I was able to download at ~2.5MB/second.
So paying extra to a line that I don't any good application that requires it (or servers that can dish it out regularly) makes it a general 'waste' IMO.
Comcast Rick, let me know if Comcast can match this with PowerBoost.
Now lets add a speedtest in here...
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Rick
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| I dl'd about 250MB of the file from the redhat site and averaged just a shade under 10,000k in doing so. And, for me, that's probably a 3000 mile journey to that server from here in Ct.
Not too shabby for a residential HSI connection by any means.
For the majority of files I download..updates..and programs..I usually see close to double those speeds.
That's the real world for me. And it's an enormous time saver..and well worth the literally pennies a day difference between a dsl connection that runs 1/13th those speeds.
Again..realize what it is we're talking about here is maybe 60 some odd cents a day.
That gets you nothing these days..but does get you 13 times the speed of a T1 speed DSL connection.
I really don't want to get into an argument over pennies..but that's what we are talking about here.
And, if that's too much for someone to pay..then so be it.
But it's certainly not fair to characterize dsl in the manner in which you are at times...as being some walmart of the industry. DSL IS EXPENSIVE for what you're getting.
You pay a little bit less..but what you pay for is EXPENSIVE.
I can't say it any clearer than that.
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Rick
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Oh, and BTW..How much per month does that 37MB CORPORATE line cost in relationship to a 42.95 per month Comcast residential connection?
HUGE money I would imagine.
But yet..I can still manage to average 10Mb on 3,000 mile away transfers?
I can still get 20Mb speed tests and more?
I can download OOL 64MB files at 20,000k speeds?
Comcast is an ENORMOUS value leader.
And uverse..jeesh..I don't even know if they know how bad it is.
I suspect they will soon though.
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en102
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said by Rick :I dl'd about 250MB of the file from the redhat site and averaged just a shade under 10,000k in doing so. And, for me, that's probably a 3000 mile journey to that server from here in Ct. Point made... 20Mbps is either
a) More than what that server will give you
b) Beyond your 'PowerBoost' limit
said by Rick :Not too shabby for a residential HSI connection by any means. For the majority of files I download..updates..and programs..I usually see close to double those speeds. That's the real world for me. And it's an enormous time saver..and well worth the literally pennies a day difference between a dsl connection that runs 1/13th those speeds. Never said it was a shabby connection. However, most programs still only take seconds to download, and updates/autoupdates are all done in the background - so I don't care. Where I do care is when I need to do something with the file(s) i.e. ISO or if I'm attempting to stream video. Streaming video will depend more on the other end than mine. SSH, Remote Desktop, VPN all are essentially the same.
said by Rick :Again..realize what it is we're talking about here is maybe 60 some odd cents a day. That gets you nothing these days..but does get you 13 times the speed of a T1 speed DSL connection. I really don't want to get into an argument over pennies..but that's what we are talking about here. And, if that's too much for someone to pay..then so be it. But it's certainly not fair to characterize dsl in the manner in which you are at times...as being some walmart of the industry. DSL IS EXPENSIVE for what you're getting. You pay a little bit less..but what you pay for is EXPENSIVE. I can't say it any clearer than that. Well, some people prioritize what they want.
$219/year for a couple Mbps more (which doesn't affect me in my day to day life) is a waste of money IMO. ($0.60x365).
Walmart pricing (in case you haven't seen one in your area) keeps each individual price low. Stating DSL IS EXPENSIVE (for what you get) may be somewhat true... DSL itself (for speeds 6Mbps or less) ISN'T EXPENSIVE... but in general, more expensive/Mbps. Walmart pricing has ALWAYS been about cutting the basic cost... not about selling more for a higher price.
My argument (and you did make it above) is than in general, the bottom line is DSL (in AT&T areas at least) are a bit cheaper.
For those that 'need' the extra speed, go an pay for it. For those that don't really care what the speed is (as long as it works - I suspect you'll find millions stating 'fast' is fast enough, and I don't want to pay more...PERIOD)
If Comcast had 'powerboost' on a 1.5Mbps package (or even offered a 1.5Mbps package) for $24.95, I suspect they'd lure AT&T customers over.
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Doesn't cost me a cent... and its actually connected to an OC-12.
Value is relative.
300 channels of TV for $75/month may be better 'value' than
100 channels of TV for $60/month
But if those last 200 channels have nothing that I want to watch/see... then they have no value to me, and I don't see myself wasting money on it, even if it is 'better value' per channel.
This is similar to me paying an extra $10/month for higher speed Internet (and probably many others as well). Perceived value is different than actual. If that extra rate does not percieve to have any useful impact to the user, then why pay more ?
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