dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | reply to Blue2
Re: The (il) legality of blocking ads
Answer my question Blue!
Do you block popups? |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
 ·Comcast
| reply to NetFixer
said by NetFixer  :said by dadkins :Is the Hosts file illegal? No! Does the Hosts file block ads? Pretty sure it does... Do YOU have a Hosts file? Many people here do! Some people here WRITE Hosts files... The most popular(?) mechanism was provided by... Microsoft.. You can't place the blame (or the credit) for the hosts file on Microsoft. The hosts file was developed for the DOD ARPANET and MILNET. RFC 952 - DoD Internet host table Even better! Thanks! 
So, Hosts has been here since long before BS ads?
Guess which one gets to stay on MY computer! 
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Wildcatboy
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Toronto, ON
Host:
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Of course. Those who have the money to argue the loudest will make the laws, but the reality is that the laws that are unreasonable, aren't going to be followed by masses, and once you have a huge number of people who just don't care, you have no hope of enforcing the law and no amount of advertising is going to make people believe otherwise or feel guilty about it.
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AB
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join:2006-04-04
Leesburg, VA
| reply to Blue2
said by Blue2 :. . I'd like to have Windows XP Pro boot up without the Microsoft logo (advertisement!). Can I do it? *Side note-- As a matter of fact, yes. |
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PrntRhd
join:2004-11-03
Fairfield, CA
·Comcast
·Comcast Formerly ..
| reply to Blue2
said by Blue2 :These issues all have to do with interpretation of laws. Everyone feels a sense of entitlement to do as they see fit. The RIAA feels entitled. The music downloader feels entitled. The Warez site feels entitled. Dadkins feel entitled to not see ads. And avertisers feel entitled to make deals with content providers that assure them that their ads are seen. So who gets to decide whose entitlement is more important? I'd like to have Windows XP Pro boot up without the Microsoft logo (advertisement!). Can I do it? This isn't about what you or I want or about what you or I do. It's about what is the legal basis for these things, and those who have the most to gain or to lose are the ones who are going to argue the loudest and spend their money to defend what they think is their entitlement in court (and not in writing two minute replies in forums such as this one). Adblocking is simply filtering of the Internet by the end user of the PC. You cannot argue that pr0n has to be filtered by the ISP and yet ads and spam emails can't.
In a democratic society users should have the right to filter content on their PCs, don't you think? |
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i1me2ao
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join:2001-03-03
TEXAS | reply to EGeezer
funny thing is, it is almost impossible to surf without ad blocker..
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Blue2
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join:2004-04-14
France
| reply to dadkins
said by dadkins :Answer my question Blue! Do you block popups? No, I won't answer Dadkins. This has nothing to do with me, and you should have gotten that point from me already. This isn't a personal argument.
If I drive 56mph or 180mph, whether I feel entitled or not, is irrelevant. All that will count is what is the legal merit in the argument that I will make in traffic court.
said by Wildcatboy :Of course. Those who have the money to argue the loudest will make the laws, but the reality is that the laws that are unreasonable, aren't going to be followed by masses, and once you have a huge number of people who just don't care, you have no hope of enforcing the law and no amount of advertising is going to make people believe otherwise or feel guilty about it. Well, I happen to agree with you, but that doesn't change the current reality. I have argued for some time that prosecuting file sharers is ridiculous. I have been quoted as saying when Napster was created that putting 15 year olds in jail or bankrupting their families isn't going going to be a deterrent, isn't going to sell more CDs, and the RIAA mis-uses statistics to make their arguments. But that doesn't stop their prosecutions.
So until that changes, I have to decide, do I or don't I obey an interpretation of law that I think is absurd? It's easy to have thoughts; it's more demanding to have principles (and be willing to pay for them). So if ad-blocking software becomes illegal, that's the dilemma that all will have to face. |
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Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
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said by AB :said by Blue2 :. . I'd like to have Windows XP Pro boot up without the Microsoft logo ( prxVoidV /* PROX: Ad Function II Removed - (AdKey.1 advertisement) */ ). Can I do it? *Side note-- As a matter of fact, yes. BootSkin...as long as it is 2000/XP and no nVidia drivers (except very old).
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
2 edits | reply to Blue2
Hypocrisy abounds!
If you are in fact blocking popups, then you too are being a bad person.
So, you trying to condemn *ME* for blocking ads is a joke, sorry!
Irrelavent on which ads, you ARE blocking ads, huh? 
You see, you too are doing a no-no! LOL!
EDIT: Ya REALLY want to complain about something? Take a good look at this image.
Can ya guess what *a couple* of these items are that are being *blocked*?
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orph4824
I Ate What??
join:2001-04-26
Greeneville, TN
2 edits | With some providers looking to charge by the byte al la carte type service those ads my soon hit us in the wallet, if I choose not to view ads and use ad blockers or simply turning off images on websites as most browsers have that option its my choice. Sure its thier content I'm viewing once it enters my network and browser if I choose not to view certain elements, I won't. Same for the TV, DVR I record most programs and a few simple taps of the 30sec skip and I'm back to watching the program. Ohhh just got a chill I'm livin' on the edge now, come get me evil advertiseing. Oh and guess what else I use a service on my home phone "selective call acceptance" I don't get telemarketing calls either... I know I'm goin' ta hell now 
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nwrickert
sand groper
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join:2004-09-04
Geneva, IL | reply to i1me2ao
funny thing is, it is almost impossible to surf without ad blocker.. Since I surf without Ad Blocker, this seems a bit exaggerated. |
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AB
Premium
join:2006-04-04
Leesburg, VA
| reply to dadkins
said by dadkins :. . Take a good look at this image. Can ya guess what *a couple* of these items are that are being *blocked*? Nope, but it better not be the pr0nnie! |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| reply to nwrickert
said by nwrickert :funny thing is, it is almost impossible to surf without ad blocker.. Since I surf without Ad Blocker, this seems a bit exaggerated. Don't trip!
I surf without Firefox, no chance of AdBlocker!
Still though... me no seea da ads! 
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| reply to AB
said by AB :said by dadkins :. . Take a good look at this image. Can ya guess what *a couple* of these items are that are being *blocked*? Nope, but it better not be the pr0nnie! LOL! Just checked, all open up(SNAP) just fine!
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swhx7
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join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
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| reply to Blue2
said by dadkins :Do you look at every billboard that you drive past? Do you read it? I don't!
said by Blue2 :Not the point. The question would be whether you would be allowed to put up an obstruction in the road to prevent the billboard from displaying.
Bad analogy. It's more like, the advertiser is paying for the road; then is it OK to put something in your line of sight *within your own car* to block the view of the billboard (not affecting anyone else)? Or give away a piece of opaque stuff that others can use to do the same for themselves? Does driving on that sponsored road obligate you to let the sight of that billboard into your car? Or is what the advertiser pays for only the chance, not a guarantee of his message reaching you? |
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major marco
Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
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join:2003-02-13
Stepford, CA
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1 edit | reply to EGeezer
While We're Mentioning Hosts File...
Can someone point me in the direction of a HowTo? I'm currently using AdBlocker and Flashblocker in FF, but thanks to this discussion, I find that I'm sufficiently motivated now not just merely not to see the ad. I want to block the fucker at the server level and inflict maximum pain to the asshole advertisers talking about making ad blocking "illegal." A little help? |
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orph4824
I Ate What??
join:2001-04-26
Greeneville, TN
2 edits | said by major marco :Can someone point me in the direction of a HowTo? I'm currently using AdBlocker and Flashblocker in FF, but thanks to this discussion, I find that I'm sufficiently motivated now not just merely not to see the ad. I want to block the fucker at the server level and inflict maximum pain to the asshole advertisers talking about making ad blocking "illegal." A little help? One of the easiest to use and self updateing is HostMan(ager) 3.0.45
»www.abelhadigital.com/
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rawwhide
Zer0
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Zero
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| reply to mers2
Re: The (il) legality of blocking ads
said by mers2 :Some advertisers are getting smart, they are using subtle advertising methods for movies and television like "product placement", which seems to be quite effective. I'd suggest perhaps internet advertisers look towards development of similar strategies that don't offend the consumer rather than attempting to force users into looking at obnoxious or potentially harmful ads. This is the logical thing advertisers should do, but you know they are going to be greedy and want in your face ads. I bet advertisers take the road the RIAA took. Pass legislation to curb falling revenue.
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rawwhide
Zer0
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| reply to major marco
Re: While We're Mentioning Hosts File...
said by major marco :Can someone point me in the direction of a HowTo? I'm currently using AdBlocker and Flashblocker in FF, but thanks to this discussion, I find that I'm sufficiently motivated now not just merely not to see the ad. I want to block the fucker at the server level and inflict maximum pain to the asshole advertisers talking about making ad blocking "illegal." A little help? I almost spit my coke onto my monitors.
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